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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:18 pm to LSUBham
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:18 pm to LSUBham
I just got a taser about a year and a half ago. That was agency wide. You have to get training for any tool you use in this line of work because everyone MMQBs any and everything we do. Proper training and supervision lead to better results in the field and in the courtroom.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:18 pm to redneck hippie
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local news reporting PCP found in car.
you're about 2 hours and 20 pages late
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:19 pm to Bad Medicine
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exactly. Law enforcement are on high alert lately. Can you really blame them for freaking out over someone who claims to have explosives and is completely ignoring their orders? It sucks but this guy brought it on himself with the way he was acting
Maybe you can't blame them for freaking out. But they sure as heck to be blamed for shooting and killing him.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:20 pm to Five0
Did you enjoy getting lit up with it for "training" purposes? 
OC spray training was a blast
OC spray training was a blast
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
And even better response is, if someone is wrestling with a cop there is already a gun involved. It belongs to whomever gets control of it first.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:23 pm to Five0
Lot of people don't understand that. There IS a gun involved in every call you go on and every stop you make...the LEO is bringing one.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:27 pm to TidenUP
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Did you enjoy getting lit up with it for "training" purposes?
Taser only requires instructors to be exposed now. So no. As a soon to be attorney, I actually read every bit of their waiver documentation for exposure and told them to piss off.
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OC spray training was a blast
This sucked. Unlike a taser, OC is the gift that keeps on giving. When you take a shower it is reactivated and runs DOWN.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:28 pm to Five0
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And even better response is, if someone is wrestling with a cop there is already a gun involved. It belongs to whomever gets control of it first.
True- but my point in asking him that was this- every day across the nation many people are forcibly arrested, with the vast majority surviving a trip to the big house. Don't get me wrong- if you wrestle with a cop you're going to jail.
My question- Are female officers more likely to use their firearms because they lack the physique to detain bigger suspects? Further does that increase the likelihood of a bad shoot when lethal force isnt justified, but the only available way for to take control?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:29 pm to TidenUP
lets review...
1. cops get call of a man stopped in hwy
2. female officer says subject is not complying
3. more cops are sent
4. cops taser the man (not sure if this is fact)
5. man still isn't following orders of 4 cops with guns
6. man goes for his truck and gets shot
7. man had pcp in truck and actions seem to support he was wet
8. the guy has a long rap sheet??
Is this correct? if so we have definitely found our new BLM poster child
1. cops get call of a man stopped in hwy
2. female officer says subject is not complying
3. more cops are sent
4. cops taser the man (not sure if this is fact)
5. man still isn't following orders of 4 cops with guns
6. man goes for his truck and gets shot
7. man had pcp in truck and actions seem to support he was wet
8. the guy has a long rap sheet??
Is this correct? if so we have definitely found our new BLM poster child
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:30 pm to Five0
Amen. They said people with lighter skin and lighter colored eyes feel it worse...white guy with blue eyes here 
I cussed out my Lt. afterwards
I cussed out my Lt. afterwards
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Fwiw, you can both be sorta right IMO. Yea, it's sad that cops will act that way and people will bow down and do whatever a cop says.
That's a sad statement within itself
I know some will say you gotta be willing to die to defend your rights, but man, it's risk/reward. I have a wife and 2 kids. I'll certainly stand up and challenge a cop if he's doing wrong, but if I see he has that crazy look in his eye, I'm not going to die and leave my two 5 year olds behind over a cop being a prick to me. I think that's a poor decision IMO if I keep pushing that cop and in turn further endangering myself because he's a crazy person.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:33 pm to Topwater Trout
Looks like you got it covered....hard to tell if she had that "Oh shite" moment. That and some officers, male and female, sprout extra balls when they have a lot of backup.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:35 pm to shel311
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I know some will say you gotta be willing to die to defend your rights, but man, it's risk/reward. I have a wife and 2 kids. I'll certainly stand up and challenge a cop if he's doing wrong, but if I see he has that crazy look in his eye, I'm not going to die and leave my two 5 year olds behind over a cop being a prick to me. I think that's a poor decision IMO if I keep pushing that cop and in turn further endangering myself because he's a crazy person.
you get it
surviving is more important than challenging someone that could kill you for nothingPosted on 9/20/16 at 3:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:A criminal puts a gun to your head and tells you to give him your wallet, or you going to tell him it's your right to not do that?
You have to wonder if the same people that give up their rights so easily believe they live in a free country
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:35 pm to shel311
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I'll certainly stand up and challenge a cop if he's doing wrong,
According to some on here that's a death sentence.
For example when a cop asks to search your home/cellphone/car, and you say "no"... god help you.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:37 pm to shel311
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A criminal puts a gun to your head and tells you to give him your wallet, or you going to tell him it's your right to not do that?
Are we equating criminals with those with shields and service weapons?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:38 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Yep.
surviving is more important than challenging someone that could kill you for nothing
And don't get me wrong, certain rights most certainly are worth fighting and dying over. But a cop being a prick to me, that's not one of them.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:38 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Are we equating criminals with those with shields and service weapons?
many here think they are one and the same...right?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:39 pm to Five0
That all makes sense. I'm just wondering if this could have been avoided had she had more training. I can understand the officer being nervous if the guy was behaving erratically because he was high, but considering one officer used the taser at almost the same time as she fired, according to the local paper, it makes me wonder if more training and tools for her could have prevented all this. Maybe when all is said and done, she made absolutely the best decision she could with the information she had at the time, but the statements of her account being refuted with photographic evidence don't look good at the moment. Without having been there in both parties shoes, I don't really know what either were thinking, since some people panic in high pressure situations. That's why I didn't go into a profession that required me to make life or death decisions. I know that I would probably be terrible in those situations.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Are female officers more likely to use their firearms because they lack the physique to detain bigger suspects?
This is a mitigating factor in determining...
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Further does that increase the likelihood of a bad shoot when lethal force isnt justified, but the only available way for to take control?
Fighting an Officer to get away is different than fighting to injure or kill. The problem is how does any officer determine the difference in a real fight. If you lose a fight, all the weapons on your belt can be used against you our the public. Other factors include:
From Graham v Connor:
In determining whether an officer’s use of force was objectively reasonable, a court looks at factors including (1) the seriousness of the crime allegedly being committed, (2) whether the officer reasonably believes the suspect poses an immediate threat to anyone (including the officers present), and (3) whether a person is attempting to escape or actively resisting arrest.
Another controlling case to consider:
Lamont v. State of New Jersey, 2011 U.S. App. LEXIS 4104, March 4, 2011
An officer who uses deadly force in the mistaken belief that a suspect is armed will be forgiven as long as the mistake is reasonable and the circumstances otherwise justify the use of such force.
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