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re: Police go to wrong address, kill homeowner in the middle of the night

Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 pm to
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 pm to
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Does their police force wear cameras? If not, why?


We need this law, and we need it fricking ASAP. Maybe even tie it into a wireless sensor that records whenever a cop draws his gun. It's 2016, this is fricking easy.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 pm to
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Isn't it incumbent upon the police to confirm the information is correct before rushing in guns blazing.


Again they were outside...they didn't enter a house. They are outside when the victim encountered them.

They have to respond to a 911 call of a shooting. What do you expect them to do when the caller can't give an exact location....tell them to call back when they figure out the house #?

Again, its possible they were at the correct residence but encountered the neighbor outside both houses.


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I don't see how anyone could argue that at BEST the cop is criminally negligent.


No, what crime were they intent on committing?

They are civilly liable in this but its pretty apparent this was a mistake by the police.

Its unfortunate it happened but seems like this falls more into the police getting nailed civilly for making a big error.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Womski
Squire Creek
Member since Aug 2011
2762 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:57 pm to
This is why cops have the reputation of generally being dipshits.

We all know your typical cops, many of them are our friends. Tonight I had our weekly gentlemen's gathering with a group of good ol baws, and one of the guests was a sheriff's deputy.

Inside of the first 30 minutes he didn't fail to show his complete ignorance by attempting to have a 'political' conversation by telling the same lame-arse Obama jokes we all heard first term, and boast about how he was a hard-arse and women he pulled over offer him the saxuals all the time if he would let them off

These morons left the police station that night knowing they were going to kill someone. I don't believe for a second they told that man to put his weapon down, and if they did, it was under circumstances that none of us would have complied because we couldn't tell who it was and it was OUR house and we were minding our own business and not breaking the law.

How did the stupidest people be allowed to dominate a profession that requires them to exercise force on behalf of the state?

#BackTheBadgeDerp
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
2054 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:20 pm to
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They are civilly liable in this but its pretty apparent this was a mistake by the police


An inexcusable mistake that has become all to commonplace in this age of militarized police who think (know) they are above the law.

This will continue to happen all over the country until they are held accountable for their "mistakes".
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21186 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:04 pm to
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Its unfortunate it happened but seems like this falls more into the police getting nailed civilly for making a big error.


So how much is a life worth. How much is a brother, father, or son worth. It's a big arse error that someone needs to be criminally held accountable.

Cops get paid to not only uphold the law but follow them as well.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10147 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:06 pm to
Every cop involved should be fired at the least
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:20 pm to
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According to police, Powell ignored orders to put down his handgun. One of the officers then fired at the homeowner, who had just emerged from his garage
I wonder how much time elapsed between Powell exiting his garage, getting told to drop his gun, and him being shot? I notice there was no mention of the police identifying themselves as the police in their narrative. Where exactly were the police located as he exited his garage? Was the garage door open, or did Powell open the garage door? Were the lights on in the garage?

The police have some explaining to do for their actions at Powell's house. There is no explaining away why they were at the wrong place.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22292 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:49 am to
GED with a badge is a scary combination. Knowing these reckless assholes are all over the place. Hopefully that entire department get sued, and at the very least those motherfrickers involved loose their jobs and get charged.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
72234 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 3:43 am to
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We need this law, and we need it fricking ASAP. Maybe even tie it into a wireless sensor that records whenever a cop draws his gun. It's 2016, this is fricking easy.


I have been advocating for this for a couple of years now.

I don't care about the cost.. it saves the cities from complaints and costly lawsuits. I have seen studies where body cameras enforced stopped several public complaints completely.

It's the best way to hold both sides accountable. I don't hate the police, but I realize they are human as well and capable of terrible things or error. I've been arrested once as a teen over the most ridiculous thing. Cursed under my breath in a courtroom (in for a traffic ticket) after a policeman was singling me out and giving me a hard time. As he walked away I said he was an arse under my breath and he heard me, turned around.. and arrested me. Then when I got to the station another police officer took me into a room and took cash money (2 $20's) out of my front pockets and said "thanks" When I got out they didn't give me my cash money back with my other belongings. I was so nervous and upset by the whole experience I was just glad to be out with my dad to make much of a deal about it. I complained but then it was just my word vs theirs so I was glad to just leave. I'm not even bitter about it, and I actually have donated money to police charities, but that was wrong. So let's have mandatory body cams worn while on duty at all times.

Many against it simply say it's costly.. Like the storage for the video.. Well, tough. Find ways to make it less costly. Perhaps keep the storage of most old video limited to a month or so.. stuff recorded with no real action can be removed sooner, etc.. I don't know.. but in today's time.. we need this for both sides.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:14 am to
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This is a 911 call relying on the caller to explain what house it is. Isn't it possible the caller screwed up the address description.


Brief aside for a personal story I may have told before.

Many years ago while still living in a tiny studio apartment in Lafayette just after my wife and I were first married, I got a call from the front desk of the apartment one day and they asked me to come down to talk to them. I got there, and was greeted by a Lafayette City Officer who began to question me. Seems they had gotten a call from a neighbor that I had been "dancing naked" in front of my open window. When I started laughing at the suggestion, no one laughed with me...

I explained the physics of how that would have been virtually impossible given the layout of my apartment (fence covering front window, large bed being in front of the side window) aside from the fact that I'd simply never do that. They were insistent...so I told them they could come and take a look for themselves and see if they could manage doing what they were accusing me of. No, they said. I asked from which apartment the accusation had come...they refused to tell me. I looked at the LEO and asked if he was seriously going to accuse me of this without even bothering to see if I could have actually done it...and he responded, "Why should I believe you?" "You shouldn't," I said, "but you ought to believe the evidence which would be pretty clear if you'd bother to come look at it." Didn't budge. Eventually, since they refused to file any charges they said I could go, but I immediately told the apartment complex to go frick themselves and contacted their corporate office and got them to allow me to break my lease.

Footnote to the story...about 6 months later after having had to move since the apartment complex clearly thought I was some kind of sex offender or some shite, I got a call from the same apartment manager telling me that they had gotten a complaint from the same woman again...which meant it could not have been me. Turns out, this woman had seen something, but she misidentified the apartment number and this time rather than simply take her fricking word that she said given them the correct number, they asked her to describe where the apartment was. It was three doors down from where I had been. This apartment bitch wasn't even calling to apologize to me, but to tell my wife in case she hadn't actually believed me! Seriously...frick her still.

Point to this story is that all this cost me was some money, some time and some embarrassment. But if the police had been just as cavalier about their lack of making sure they were getting the right person/apartment and it had been a situation like the one in this Georgia story, then I could have found myself dead...all because they did not bother to make sure they were going to the right house.

So to answer your question...who fricking cares if the caller screwed up the address? It's not the caller's responsibility to ensure the police don't shoot innocent people with bad info. Maybe...just maybe the police could double check their information BEFORE doing stuff like this.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:11 am to
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So to answer your question...who fricking cares if the caller screwed up the address? It's not the caller's responsibility to ensure the police don't shoot innocent people with bad info. Maybe...just maybe the police could double check their information BEFORE doing stuff like this.


+1. Common sense isn't so common anymore...
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:45 am to
I'm totally anti "no knock raids" and any tactics that amount to police invading people's homes when it's not necessary to save someone's life.

However, this is not the same thing at all. Unless you don't want to have police at all, then you want them responding to calls for help and the sound of gunfire. If you expect them to do that, it would be illogical and unreasonable to expect there never to be any honest mistakes.

That said, they need to clearly identify themselves.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:02 am to
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However, this is not the same thing at all. Unless you don't want to have police at all, then you want them responding to calls for help and the sound of gunfire. If you expect them to do that, it would be illogical and unreasonable to expect there never to be any honest mistakes.


I disagree only that their job should have been to assess the situation and make themselves clearly known to the neighborhood- Bright lights, loudspeaker, etc. If someone did call it makes it much easier to figure out rather than shining flashlights into people's windows at midnight then hiding when they come out.

The tragic part is that these tactics won't change until someone is held accountable and gets jailtime after one of these negligent incidents happens again.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:49 am
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
20509 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:24 am to
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Because they get their information from unreliable sources and they do very little verification because it wouldn't be "efficient".


It is actually very hard to get good information on calls like this. You are trying to respond to a situation that involves gun fire and you don't have good information. It appears they tried to get a better location.

A lot of times you get a call for a situation and when you get there the situation is totally different.

For example one time I responded to a burglary alarm at a house. I check the house find a kicked in back door. I back up, wait for back up. In the meantime the homeowner comes in the front door, where I can't see, and checks the house. He then comes out the back door with a gun in his hand. I order him to put down the gun and to put his hands up. He does exactly what he is told to do and is put in handcuffs. After other officers arrive we check the house and find out he is the home owner. This situation could have been a lot worse but the homeowner, thank God, followed my orders.



I am not defending this situation at all, but most of the time we don't have a clear idea of what we are responding to and we always don't get the best information from dispatch.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
20509 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:26 am to
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GED with a badge is a scary combination



I agree fully with this. The guys I work with are all a lot better educated than a GED. A lot of departments are hurting right now trying to get officers and they are hiring some people that should not be hired.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:32 am
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
20509 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:28 am to
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I disagree only that their job should have been to assess the situation and make themselves clearly known to the neighborhood- Bright lights, loudspeaker, etc. If someone did call it makes it much easier to figure out rather than shining flashlights into people's windows at midnight then hiding when they come out.



So you want the officers to make themselves big shiny targets for a potential gunman?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:47 am to
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So you want the officers to make themselves big shiny targets for a potential gunman?


If nothing else it helps the caller know that they are there, and hopefully identify where the incident took place.

Of course the other option is sneaking around looking through random citizens windows with flashlights like a thief in the night. How did that strategy work out?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72122 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:56 am to
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Many years ago while still living in a tiny studio apartment in Lafayette just after my wife and I were first married, I got a call from the front desk of the apartment one day and they asked me to come down to talk to them. I got there, and was greeted by a Lafayette City Officer who began to question me. Seems they had gotten a call from a neighbor that I had been "dancing naked" in front of my open window. When I started laughing at the suggestion, no one laughed with me...

I explained the physics of how that would have been virtually impossible given the layout of my apartment (fence covering front window, large bed being in front of the side window) aside from the fact that I'd simply never do that. They were insistent...so I told them they could come and take a look for themselves and see if they could manage doing what they were accusing me of. No, they said. I asked from which apartment the accusation had come...they refused to tell me. I looked at the LEO and asked if he was seriously going to accuse me of this without even bothering to see if I could have actually done it...and he responded, "Why should I believe you?" "You shouldn't," I said, "but you ought to believe the evidence which would be pretty clear if you'd bother to come look at it." Didn't budge. Eventually, since they refused to file any charges they said I could go, but I immediately told the apartment complex to go frick themselves and contacted their corporate office and got them to allow me to break my lease.


The sad part of this story is it doesn't surprise me in the least.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:57 am to
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So you want the officers to make themselves big shiny targets for a potential gunman?


Not to sound callous, but if the choice you're offering is between a LEO who has chosen this line of work being more at risk by clearly identifying themselves in most situations or an innocent civilian potentially being killed because an officer has done a poor job identifying themselves and the civilian acts in a way that most normal people would and the LEO fears for his life and kills him, than yeah...I'm ALWAYS going to side with option #1.
Posted by Tigers_Saints
Member since Jun 2016
949 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:57 am to
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So you want the officers to make themselves big shiny targets for a potential gunman?



Or kill a possible innocent person?

Absolutely
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