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re: Please inform me why Entergy is doing rolling blackouts?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:35 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:35 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:It’s closer to the middle of winter than the middle of summer but the companies I’ve worked for have typically tried to schedule maintenance in the Oct-Nov months before thanksgiving and the holidays hit. If there’s a delay, they wait till late Feb-Mar once they’ve hit their winter peak. The contract that used to exist between NRG (formerly Louisiana Cajun but now a part of Cleco) had a rate that was based on that peak winter load. Steps and plans were always in place to make sure they didn’t affect that peak.
If that is true, then why is maintenance scheduled more in the winter, instead of the summer?
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:43 am to the LSUSaint
quote:Just because the doors are locked at a business or school doesn’t mean the power consumption stops. Many lights remain on and the heater/cooling system remains active. Also, the amount of consumption one retail store has doesn’t come close to the consumption of the homes of all of the workers and patrons who are home instead.
Neighborhoods, government buildings, schools, malls, stores, restaurants, LSU, etc etc etc...all CLOSED...
All not using power and power companies make you think they are overwhelmed?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:13 am to BHM
Don't they have contracts to buy power from low-usage regions when they are overamped?
Why don't they act like men, and consider electricity to be the same as horsepower in a vehicle? Always have more than you need for those rare times you need it.
they have failed their customers, miserably.
ETA: Wow. AA bunch of downvote queers got out of their Priuses, stopped smoking cock for a second, and downvoted this post. What do y'all have against efficiency, and HP?
Why don't they act like men, and consider electricity to be the same as horsepower in a vehicle? Always have more than you need for those rare times you need it.
they have failed their customers, miserably.
ETA: Wow. AA bunch of downvote queers got out of their Priuses, stopped smoking cock for a second, and downvoted this post. What do y'all have against efficiency, and HP?
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 6:58 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:18 am to Hangit
Power lines have load limits and congestion points. Technically, power can be bought from anywhere, but that doesn’t mean the lines can handle it. For MISO, the bottleneck is in southeast Missouri.
Also, we do have more power resources to cover load. Many plants exist solely as “peakers” and companies get paid simply to have them ready for reserves. That doesn’t mean extreme weather and outages don’t force issues like this. Texas had over 3 million people without power wednesday. Within 24 hours, power was restored to 2.4 million of those people. That’s an insane amount of work and homes coming back online in that short of time.
Also, we do have more power resources to cover load. Many plants exist solely as “peakers” and companies get paid simply to have them ready for reserves. That doesn’t mean extreme weather and outages don’t force issues like this. Texas had over 3 million people without power wednesday. Within 24 hours, power was restored to 2.4 million of those people. That’s an insane amount of work and homes coming back online in that short of time.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 7:22 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:28 am to Hangit
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Don't they have contracts to buy power from low-usage regions when they are overamped?
Look at the temperature map across the country.
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Why don't they act like men, and consider electricity to be the same as horsepower in a vehicle? Always have more than you need for those rare times you need it.
Purchased power is expensive. So is building new generation. People would bitch about their bills going up.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:39 am to chillygentilly
Why do cities keep street lights on still? I'm getting messages from Entergy about turning off unnecessary lights yet the streetlights remain on around town.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:44 am to chillygentilly
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Purchased power is expensive. So is building new generation.
So get what you need. You have customers freezing to death in the dark.
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People would bitch about their bills going up.
Like Entergy ever gave a frick aboot that. Their arrogance knows no bounds.
I ran my heat for 2 days in early 2001. They charged me $450 for "Fuel adjustment costs".
I moved to get away from Entergy, and the tax to service ratio in LA. Lousianians pay more, and get less, than any other state. I also had a child and was not going to spend her college money to send her to elementary school. The school system was broken by a federal judge in the early 80's.
Enough of all that... The system is broken, and not getting fixed. Entergy should fix it, or give it to someone who will.
One poster said there are not enough transmission lines. Put more in. Do what it takes.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:46 am to Landmass
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Why do cities keep street lights on still? I'm getting messages from Entergy about turning off unnecessary lights yet the streetlights remain on around town.
This would require a human going to every street light in a bucket truck and either disconnecting the power or removing the bulb. Then returning to turn it back on.
Unless you think there is like a light switch at some central location that can turn off all those street lights at one time. If so, let me inform you that is not how it works.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:52 am to Hangit
quote:
Why don't they act like men, and consider electricity to be the same as horsepower in a vehicle?
Then people would bitch amount their higher rates.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:52 am to tigerbacon
Talked with a very high ranking exec at another power company.
They are ALL struggling with the same two basic issues:
-struggling to get natural gas. This is an absolute travesty. We have the resources but they can’t get it. Furthermore, their hands are tied when it comes to capacity. Government will not approve additional coal and natural gas generation plants due to the current political environment which leads to issue #2
- they are struggling to keep all production up due to instruments freezing up. All in all they wouldn’t have as much of an issue with capacity but there is not enough headroom to keep them above the threshold of being able to meet demand.
Compound all of this with municipal water companies not having backup generators for wager plants and you have a full blown shitshow!
We reallly need to hold our politicians accountable for enabling these companies to grow their infrastructure with fossil fuels and to make sure the grid has backup power
They are ALL struggling with the same two basic issues:
-struggling to get natural gas. This is an absolute travesty. We have the resources but they can’t get it. Furthermore, their hands are tied when it comes to capacity. Government will not approve additional coal and natural gas generation plants due to the current political environment which leads to issue #2
- they are struggling to keep all production up due to instruments freezing up. All in all they wouldn’t have as much of an issue with capacity but there is not enough headroom to keep them above the threshold of being able to meet demand.
Compound all of this with municipal water companies not having backup generators for wager plants and you have a full blown shitshow!
We reallly need to hold our politicians accountable for enabling these companies to grow their infrastructure with fossil fuels and to make sure the grid has backup power
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:09 am to BHM
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Then people would bitch amount their higher rates.
Already answered this. Entergy DOES NOT CARE. They have the OK from the government to charge what they do. John Smith's opinion means nothing to a monopoly.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:20 am to BHM
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This would require a human going to every street light in a bucket truck and either disconnecting the power or removing the bulb. Then returning to turn it back on.
Unless you think there is like a light switch at some central location that can turn off all those street lights at one time. If so, let me inform you that is not how it works.
I understand that. I just fricking hate street lights to begin with. They are completely unnecessary. Hell, I'd like to just ping them with a .22
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:23 am to tigerbacon
well, if you'd actually read it's not Entergy's decision
MISO forced them to do the load shedding
MISO forced them to do the load shedding
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:04 am to tigerbacon
quote:
Thanks for the education on it. I was actually wanting to understand. Again, I was curious how we are having spikes in say Baton Rouge when half the city was without power. It doesn’t make sense that you have neighborhoods without power and for them to have blackout due to usage. Even as I type this I know whole neighborhoods without power using no energy from Entergy.
Read my post on page 2. That will explain it to you.
Understand, disturbances in the power grid are like waves on a pond. When everything is running the waves are consistent, and power plants have to put power out to the grid in sync with those waves. When something happens, like demand peaks out or a unit trips, it’s like dropping a rock in the water and causing a spike in those waves. Most plants have the ability to ride that +\-. If the disturbance is great enough, it can cause a unit to trip. This is amplified during peak demand times.
The NE blackout was caused when a single plant tripped due to a component issue during an abnormally high demand time which caused a ripple effect destabilizing the grid and causing unit after unit to trip. Then there wasn’t enough power available so the remaining units had to come down until the grid stabilized.
MISO is designed to help prevent that from happening. They monitor demand, and coordinate with producers to ensure they are taking appropriate actions to ensure reliable operation. Plants will get orders to essentially do nothing that could jeopardize generation ability. MISO is trying to maintain grid margin so that if you have plants run into issues or you have demand spikes the grid will not collapse.
Rolling blackout are basically done in sections of the grid where demand is causing fluctuations which could impact generation. You shut off power, let the grid stabilize, then phase it back in. Again, everyone in MISO territory from Louisiana to Minnesota is putting this out to their customers.
Also, FYI, there are some plants that run 24/7/365 that are considered base load plants. There are also hundreds of plants that are on demand load plants that only run when needed. 90% of the year those hundreds of plants sit offline doing nothing and only come on when demand peaks or when they are making up for a base load plant not running.
It isn’t a case where there is some big conspiracy, honestly it’s physics and simple supply and demand. And there isn’t some huge gap in generation capacity in the central US. Conditions right now are most decidedly abnormal.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:06 am to tigerbacon
Because the millions of dollars invested with LSU to destroy animal habitat for solar farms failed when the sun did not come out.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:16 am to elprez00
quote:
honestly it’s physics
You are dealing with too many that haven't seen the inside of a physics textbook since high school.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:34 am to Clames
quote:
quote:
honestly it’s physics
You are dealing with too many that haven't seen the inside of a physics textbook since high school.
Hey man, I’m trying.
It’s honestly pretty interesting how it all works and fits together. I grew up in a utility household. Dad is an EE. He’s been retired for 4 years now and there are honestly still people we’ve known our whole lives that think we got free electricity cause dad worked for the power company.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:38 am to Landmass
quote:
I understand that. I just fricking hate street lights to begin with. They are completely unnecessary. Hell, I'd like to just ping them with a .22
You must still be young with good eyes.
Go live in the country and drive around with no street lights on a dark moonless night.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:43 am to elprez00
Everything You Need to Know About Power System Stability.pdf
let's see if any of yall understand this
let's see if any of yall understand this
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:48 am to DVinBR
quote:
DVinBR
I once heard a story from an engineer meeting with a national regulator (that will remain nameless) that was accused of lying to the regulator because he was referencing “imaginary power” in his testimony.
These are the people responsible for setting policy that don’t understand concepts you learn in Physics 2 in college.
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