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re: Plane crash in Lafayette
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:23 pm to The Boat
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:23 pm to The Boat
i've lost three good friends (two were first cousins) in private plane crashes...all three where due to pilot error.
according to the NTSB:
according to the NTSB:
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Approximately 80 percent of airplane accidents are due to human error (pilots, air traffic controllers, mechanics, etc.) and 20 percent are due to machine (equipment) failures.
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:23 pm to The Boat
my wife's cousin lives in the apartments across from the scene. He said he heard the plane engines rev up them heard a big boom that shook the building. He ran outside and saw fire and smoke. A guy who was outside said it looked like the plane was smoking. who knows if that was accurate. But he said the plane barely cleared the apartments, enough so that it clipped the tree's. Then hit the power lines/pole. Almost as if it were trying to land on Feu Follet or in the field it crashed on.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:23 pm to HerkFlyer
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Ban all future flights of any type of aircraft.
this is the only rational solution
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:26 pm to GeorgePaton
Aircraft operated under part 91 (personal use not for hire) of the faa regulations that do not require 2 pilots for operation are not required to have a Cockpit voice recorder (cvr) installed. 2 pilot turboprop more than 6 seats pax would have required a cvr. FDR's are a whole different kettle of fish as due to requirements like weight, # of seats etc.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:26 pm to cgrand
Overloading the plane would be human error.
All these private planes are “doctor killers”. I’d never get in one.
All these private planes are “doctor killers”. I’d never get in one.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:26 pm to GeorgePaton
My guess is engine failure just after takeoff. The plane was only 900 ft above the Walmart and then lost altitude. The flight plan by the way indicated a planned cruising altitude of 23 thousand feet.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:33 pm to 777Tiger
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this is the only rational solution
Yeah, that was partially tongue in cheek on my part. It was also kind of a serious response to the question of "what is the faa going to change to prevent this going forward?"(paraphrasing) I'm assuming that means stopping all aviation accidents/incidents.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:36 pm to ashy larry
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Wouldn't you offset the passenger weight by not topping off the tank?
My buddy who has a plane that I've flown with does. Now his plane isn't nearly this size or have that kind of fuel capacity.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:40 pm to HerkFlyer
was a joke, bro
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:41 pm to HerkFlyer
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HerkFlyer
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HerkFlyer
Multi-engine aircraft can still fly with one engine correct? Is that still possible on a fully loaded aircraft?
If so, given the conditions the pilot might have been able to fly to an airfield with clear weather rather than immediately land
I am not blaming the pilot for the accident, I am simply trying to Learn more about what pilots consider during those emergent moments.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:42 pm to 777Tiger
I figured, I was more putting it out there for the people that thought I was serious.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:43 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Multi-engine aircraft can still fly with one engine correct? Is that still possible on a fully loaded aircraft?
If you lose one on takeoff in those small twin engine planes you're screwed.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:45 pm to HerkFlyer
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Ban all future flights of any type of aircraft.
So are you involved in anyway with the sales of Piper aircraft? I simply asked if it was normal policy to exclude Data Flight Recorders from this type and size of aircraft.
Let me remind you.....a lady was sitting in her car in that Post Office parking lot and an airplane fell on top of her. You do know she's in critical condition right? I'm wondering if it was a member of your family (maybe your wife, mother or daughter) would you be so bold as to make a ridiculous statement like that.
Anyway, I would still like an answer to my question. I assume you don't know the answer?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:46 pm to GeorgePaton
I answered your question above
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Aircraft operated under part 91 (personal use not for hire) of the faa regulations that do not require 2 pilots for operation are not required to have a Cockpit voice recorder (cvr) installed. 2 pilot turboprop more than 6 seats pax would have required a cvr. FDR's are a whole different kettle of fish as due to requirements like weight, # of seats etc.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:52 pm to choppadocta
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FDR's are a whole different kettle of fish as due to requirements like weight, # of seats etc.
For the record, I have a close relative who lives near a small airport. I routinely see small aircraft of this size landing and taking off from the airport. I have skin in this game. It involves family.
Thank you.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:55 pm to GeorgePaton
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So are you involved in anyway with the sales of Piper aircraft?
No
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I simply asked if it was normal policy to exclude Data Flight Recorders from this type and size of aircraft.
Depends on what rules it's operating under. I don't know if this was part 135 or 91 operation(Doesn't really matter), but yes it's normal for a GA aircraft to not have one. Most of my experience is with military aviation. I do have some GA time though.
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Let me remind you.....a lady was sitting in her car in that Post Office parking lot and an airplane fell on top of her. You do know she's in critical condition right?
Don't need a reminder, I know all of this. She would be no better off if the plane had had a CVR or FDR on board.
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I'm wondering if it was a member of your family (maybe your wife, mother or daughter) would you be so bold as to make a ridiculous statement like that.
Irrelevant
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I would still like an answer to my question
I'm not sure what your question was at this point. I thought you were asking what the FAA is going to do to prevent airplanes from "falling out of the sky". I gave you my honest assessment of what everyone who does this for a living knows is the only way to prevent all crashes.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you lose one on takeoff in those small twin engine planes you're screwed.
If the flightaware data is to be believed they got to +1000’ and 200MPH. One engine can’t maintain enough speed to stay level at that altitude?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:57 pm to lsunurse
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So sad people would try to take advantage of a tragedy like this to scam people out of money.
This is absolutely sick. You know what type of person you have to be to use this situation to try to scam people?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:59 pm to GeorgePaton
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For the record, I have a close relative who lives near a small airport. I routinely see small aircraft of this size landing and taking off from the airport. I have skin in this game. It involves family.
What in the actual frick?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:02 pm to HerkFlyer
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Irrelevant
That comment says it all. Have a great day.
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