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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Obviously. The point being my $30k boat has collision avoidance tech and I imagine a blackhawk would have something much more capable.
In my experience with GA the traffic warning system works well if equipped. However, in an environment around a busy airport with a lot of air traffic it goes off pretty constantly warning of other planes "traffic" nearby. Its still up to the pilot to put his eyes on said traffic. Just like when ATC gives the pilot a heads up of another plane in the vicinity. Pilot still has to put eyes on the plane and confirm where it is.
ETA : spelling
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:32 am
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:19 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Where are you getting that the shift to R33 was due to traffic on R1 rather than winds? I cant get the full audio to play. So, just trying to avoid disseminating bad data if the reddit transcription I posted above is erroneous. If so, I want to delete ASAP.
The very next plane didn’t get a reroute because of winds. They were landing on R1 because it was clear after the plane on it departed. It’s traffic related at a busy airport.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:20 am to flyingtexastiger
There was talk previously that the Helicopter was supposed to be at or below 200ft of altitude. Would that have anything to do here? That the Heli pilot assumed he was at a safe altitude at that point? But he was at 350 ft or whatever and actually not safe?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:20 am to sicboy
The shorter distance from the end of 33 to the ramp which might make it attractive for AA to land on 33 instead.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:22 am to The Boat
Didn't someone say it took the helicopter around 30 seconds to reply to a warning? That's another thing often covered on Pilot Debrief, if ATC gives you instructions and you don't respond to it in a timely manner, situation can change pretty quickly.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:26 am to sicboy
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Didn't someone say it took the helicopter around 30 seconds to reply to a warning? That's another thing often covered on Pilot Debrief, if ATC gives you instructions and you don't respond to it in a timely manner, situation can change pretty quickly.
People have mentioned the experience of the blackhawk crew. Experience has been a killer in the air because it breeds complacency. They probably flew this route more times than they can count.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:27 am to sicboy
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Didn't someone say it took the helicopter around 30 seconds to reply to a warning? That's another thing often covered on Pilot Debrief, if ATC gives you instructions and you don't respond to it in a timely manner, situation can change pretty quickly.
Helicopter was flying past a major fricking airport. He'd of had to have been completely fricking around or extremely occupied to not realize that he should have been quickly responding to ATC and keeping a visual.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:29 am to The Boat
Not a pilot in any respect but I've been fascinated by this ever since I got certified as a drone pilot and we had to go over basic airport procedures.
The one thing that's very clear to me is there is so much that you have to keep up with. Ignore a dial or a setting for too long can get you in trouble. And often times inexperienced pilots can simply get overwhelmed about all the things that they panic and hyper focus on one aspect, will ignore ATC calls, and get themselves in a lot of trouble.
The one thing that's very clear to me is there is so much that you have to keep up with. Ignore a dial or a setting for too long can get you in trouble. And often times inexperienced pilots can simply get overwhelmed about all the things that they panic and hyper focus on one aspect, will ignore ATC calls, and get themselves in a lot of trouble.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:31 am to sicboy
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on Pilot Debrief
I enjoy Hoovers videos, however I am flying out of MSY Saturday so I am staying away from any videos or news on plane crashes lol
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:32 am to jorconalx
Didn't think I would hear the word 'dwarfism' in the Trump presser about the crash.
Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised.
Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:34 am to East Coast Band
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I can't imagine the crosswinds varying too much between 1 and 33. Or dies a 40 degree angle difference matter that much to a pilot?
I’m not a pilot, but have to believe it mattered enough to where ATC said “Hey, the winds are such and such, do you want to switch?”
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:42 am to morganwadefan
Hegseth just said the training was related to a continuity of government mission.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:43 am to bikerack
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Hegseth just said the training was related to a continuity of government mission.
This is being overblown. People are suggesting the pilot was in training, like learning to fly. Maybe he was, but very doubtful.
20 year pilots have training missions monthly. They aren't in active combat, its not a combat mission. What else would it be? Its training, for something.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:44 am to morganwadefan
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“Hey, the winds are such and such, do you want to switch?”
Wind direction is a standard piece of info they give when offering a different runway. They would have done that even if winds were calm.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:45 am to baldona
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This is being overblown. People are suggesting the pilot was in training, like learning to fly. Maybe he was, but very doubtful.
20 year pilots have training missions monthly. They aren't in active combat, its not a combat mission. What else would it be? Its training, for something.
I understand that...you must have thin skin about this....what caught my attention was the "continuity of government" part. This must be a specific route taken...and might not be something you want others to know about.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:46 am to bikerack
Trump administration is blaming DEI in this presser.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:47 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:48 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
quote:what? You're not serious.
Trump administration is blaming DEI in this presser.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:49 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Trump administration is blaming DEI in this presser.
There are times he needs to just shut the frick up.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:51 am to SPEEDY
Thanks for the audio. I retract my previous statement about a bad traffic call. The initial traffic call was solid.
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