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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac

Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:08 am to
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17127 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:08 am to
Legitimate question for those who are saying that the helicopter likely got the plane that they were instructed to be behind confused with another. From the video, to me it looks like the other plane is ascending or taking off from the airport. The helicopter pilot should pretty easily be able to tell which planes are landing vs taking off, no? Genuinely curious as I keep seeing this theory but feel like I’m missing something which I probably am.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24759 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:08 am to
This is terrible. My question is why would you have a helicopter going across the glideslope of arriving traffic? Why wouldn't they have an in/out route away from traffic?
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59615 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:09 am to


I'm sure the audio has been posted but I don't think this video has. VASAviation always does a good job.
Posted by Kato
Sec 102
Member since Nov 2006
3031 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:09 am to
Absolutely horrible news. Praying for all victims involved.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297058 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:09 am to
Thats what I wondered because there was no way the Chopper could see that plane.

Seems like terrible planning across the board.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
71068 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:12 am to
Obviously. The point being my $30k boat has collision avoidance tech and I imagine a blackhawk would have something much more capable.

Of course the crj can't really do anything even if they saw it coming. Hard to believe the blackhawk doesn't have something similar to an AIS system and also that they wouldn't be using it so close to such a busy airport.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
10944 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:13 am to
quote:

From the video, to me it looks like the other plane is ascending or taking off from the airport. The helicopter pilot should pretty easily be able to tell which planes are landing vs taking off, no? Genuinely curious as I keep seeing this theory but feel like I’m missing something which I probably am.


the plane ascending in the CCTV video is a plane taking off from runway 1 heading north (basically directly east of the Pentagon over the river) - that wouldn't have even been in the sight line of the helicopter - I'm not sure if there was another plane anywhere close that was on approach to either RWY 1 or RWY 33 besides the AA flight that got hit.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26337 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:13 am to
quote:

Legitimate question for those who are saying that the helicopter likely got the plane that they were instructed to be behind confused with another. From the video, to me it looks like the other plane is ascending or taking off from the airport. The helicopter pilot should pretty easily be able to tell which planes are landing vs taking off, no? Genuinely curious as I keep seeing this theory but feel like I’m missing something which I probably am.


Planes don’t take off and land in opposite directions….any plane taking off would be on the other side of the airport and no headlights would be visible to the U60 pilot as it would be heading away

Runway 33 and Runway 1 are somewhat close to each other with Runway 1 starting a little further back. AA flight 3310 or something like that, was on approach to runway 1, which could be the plane the U60 pilot saw.


This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 7:16 am
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15772 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:14 am to
Possibility that pilots had night vision equipment on which would distort and reduce vision fields by 40% per lt colonel on fox news
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 7:15 am
Posted by LPLGTiger
Member since May 2013
2571 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:17 am to
quote:

Can any pilots weigh in?


My dad was a CRJ pilot with Continental then United for 20+ years. He said he hated flying in and out of DCA. Always so much air traffic
Posted by TrueBaldPate
BR
Member since Dec 2019
953 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:17 am to
Boat speed also 5 -15 times slower
5-30 knots to 150
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23849 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:19 am to
quote:

My dad was a CRJ pilot with Continental then United for 20+ years. He said he hated flying in and out of DCA. Always so much air traffic


Congress just added more flights last year despite local officials begging them not to.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Possibility that pilots had night vision equipment on which would distort and reduce vision fields by 40% per lt colonel on fox news


Sounds like night training flights in a very busy airspace is a bad idea. Good job, military.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15772 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:21 am to
Pete H incoming..will be interested in his response
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23849 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:25 am to
Incoming? What channel?
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15772 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:26 am to
Fox news just said 10 minutes pete will have news conference
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14428 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:28 am to
Thinking about the late change from Runway 1 to Runway 33, I wonder if ATC didn’t think ahead that there could potentially be traffic in the landing path and push PAT25 to maneuver on a more southerly route. If the plane were able to stay on Runway 1, this whole thing never happens. I wonder if the plane taking off from Runway 1 was delayed momentarily from starting its roll thus pushing the ATC to request the AA plane to land on Runway 33.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 7:29 am
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17127 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:28 am to
That makes more sense that the plane in the video isn’t the one they got confused with. I just kept seeing comments like the below tweet and thought I was missing something
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Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26337 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:31 am to
If that guys a pilot and making that claim, I’d want his license number and will track every flight I’m on so he isn’t the pilot
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30951 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 7:32 am to
quote:

Congress just added more flights last year despite local officials begging them not to.

That is a very significant piece of information that should've been public by now.
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