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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:37 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:37 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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It's not an assumption
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It's a conclusion based on what was said and the context of the stop up until the point when the cop flipped out and emptied his pistol into the car, with the girlfriend and child passengers lucky to come out of it alive.
Which IS an assumption...You are assuming something happened based on what was said. You did not see what happened, so you HAVE to assume what happened.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:58 pm
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:59 pm to SUB
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Which IS an assumption...You are assuming something happened based on what was said. You did not see what happened, so you HAVE to assume what happened.
Please don't clip a sentence fragment out of a complete thought and ignore the remainder of it. You didn't even take that whole fragment into account.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:42 pm to Displaced
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Castile was calm. He was obeying an order.
I think you mean Castile sounded calm. There's no evidence that he was obeying an order.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 1:58 pm to abitaman6363
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*The officer asked for his wallet.
*Castille had no reason to reach for his gun and had already told the officer he had a firearm.
*Castille calmly said he was not reaching for his firearm.
Correct. And at no point during these events did the officer shoot Castile or Diamond Williams.
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*Diamond Reynolds stated in the immediate aftermath and in her testimony he was unbuckling to reach for his wallet.
She has no idea what was going through his head, and neither did the cop. Her perception about his intent is no more accurate than Yanez's perception.
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*Autopsy evidence showed bullet wounds to trigger finger but not area of his pocket where gun was located which would have been likely the case if his hand was in the pocket where gun was located.
The location of injuries is accurate, but why do you believe the location of an injury has any evidentiary value to what he was reaching for? You really appear to be making up things.
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What evidence do you have he was reaching for a gun?
I'm not claiming there is any evidence other than the cops words and lawful commands.
A lack of evidence does not mean we get to make up our own narrative. We have to accept that there was not sufficient evidence to advance a prosecution of the cop.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:16 pm to Willie Stroker
If Castille had no intention to use his gun, then why didn't he move it or his wallet so as to separate his license from his gun?
The police testified the car smelled of marijuana, this had been unstated here. It's very possible that Castille was high, paranoid, and not acting rationally.
Black guy with dreads, smell of marijuana, and no brake lights tells you he has a gun. There's not a cop in the world that would tell you that's not a high stress situation.
The police testified the car smelled of marijuana, this had been unstated here. It's very possible that Castille was high, paranoid, and not acting rationally.
Black guy with dreads, smell of marijuana, and no brake lights tells you he has a gun. There's not a cop in the world that would tell you that's not a high stress situation.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:16 pm to Mung
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Why would he go for the gun?
1. He had committed no crime, other than broken tailight.
2. He had gone thru the trouble of obtaining a firearm permit.
3. He told the cop he had a gun in the car.
4. He had a woman and child with him, with two armed officers on both sides of the car.
It's not like Castile was a fugitive, or had any reason to fight the power.. This is simply an example of the cop overreacting, after a pretextual stop. Poor training and fear leads to shitty outcomes.
Humans don't always respond rationally. None of those observations you typed have any bearing on whether or not an irrational, violent act may occur. Cops are trained not to be complacent.
Every time a cop is shot or killed, the events that preceded it are examined for lessons to be learned. It's not uncommon for complacency to be at the root of preventable law enforcement deaths. I agree that fear was a factor, but fear is at the root of all training for preventing lethal force encounters.
It would be nice if we could ensure that all cops were fearless... or would that result in other undesirable outcomes?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:18 pm to Hangit
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Pulling people over for a brake light, a tag light, a headlight out, etc is all just a bullshite reason to go fishing for DUI's, drugs etc. All that foolishness needs to stop.
I am a gun loving, law enforcement supporting person but I agree with this statement.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:18 pm to SUB
Yeah he definitely needed to take more command of the situation
Like tell him put hands on steering wheel now or I will shoot you period
Then even after he shoots him several times he can't handle the situation and just leaves him in there until other police show up several minutes later to pull him out and try to revive him
Like tell him put hands on steering wheel now or I will shoot you period
Then even after he shoots him several times he can't handle the situation and just leaves him in there until other police show up several minutes later to pull him out and try to revive him
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:21 pm to samson73103
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Pulling people over for a brake light, a tag light, a headlight out, etc is all just a bull shite reason to go fishing for DUI's, drugs etc. All that foolishness needs to stop.
I am a gun loving, law enforcement supporting person but I agree with this statement.
Do you realize it's dangerous as hell to drive without brake lights? The cops did nothing but ask for his license and registration, for all we know they would of told him to fix his lights and let him go had the gun not come up.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:24 pm to baldona
Except that the real reason the cop pulled him over was that he matched the description of an armed Robert suspect....
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:24 pm to Displaced
Officer was found not guilty by a jury. Why keep arguing over it?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:25 pm to Displaced
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None of that means that the cop shouldn't be held accountable when they frick up though, which is the case here.
Why do you think he is not being held accountable? Is a felony conviction in the absence of definitive evidence the preferred method of holding him accountable for his role in the incident? At this point, we know there will not be a felony conviction for the offense he was charged with. His law enforcement career is over. He'll be sued. Isn't civil court also used to hold people accountable?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:26 pm to phil good
Because it's not right, you fricking moron... Cops should not be near impossible to convince when they frick up.
Just like any of the unjust or unfair policies in place. Just because it is legal doesn't mean it's right.
Just like any of the unjust or unfair policies in place. Just because it is legal doesn't mean it's right.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:29 pm to Displaced
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Except that the real reason the cop pulled him over was that he matched the description of an armed Robert suspect....
I'm pretty sure that has been proven false, and it doesn't change the fact both of Castille's brake lights were out and that's dangerous as hell.
But let's take that as fact. Potential robber is pulled over, smells of marijuana, acts high, and tells you he has a gun. Then he reaches for the gun? Legal shoot.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:33 pm to Displaced
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Displaced
Why are you so angry? I asked a question and get called a moron. Lol. Bitch all you want you yellow bellied beady eyed slack jawed frick face it's not going to change. Just the way the system works.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:45 pm to baldona
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The police testified the car smelled of marijuana, this had been unstated here. It's very possible that Castille was high, paranoid, and not acting rationally.
Like at the beginning of the interaction when he calmly and clearly told the cop he had a firearm, was that the act of a paranoid and irrational person?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:53 pm to EA6B
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Like at the beginning of the interaction when he calmly and clearly told the cop he had a firearm
It wasn't at the beginning of the interaction. He waited until he was going for his information to tell the cop he had a gun.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:57 pm to baldona
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smells of marijuana
Did he actually have MJ in his system, or was this one of those infamous "Well...I smell pot in here. You guys been smoking?" type situations?
Because, honestly...I don't give much credence to the old I smell pot stuff.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:58 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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lease don't clip a sentence fragment out of a complete thought and ignore the remainder of it. You didn't even take that whole fragment into account.
Yes, I did. I only clipped it because it was a long quote and the rest of it did not change the fact that you are making an assumption. I updated the quote so your feeling won't be so hurt.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:01 pm to phil good
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Officer was found not guilty by a jury. Why keep arguing over it?
I have no idea how this thread made it this many pages but Im not going to read through all the stupidity
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