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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:11 pm to Pendulum
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:11 pm to Pendulum
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How do we know if he was going for a gun or license
Yeah! I know that when I plan on using a gun on a cop, I'll tell him about it first, and then reach for it. He'll be none the wiser.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 11:12 pm
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:33 pm to upgrayedd
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How these are different
Well sure, Castile was black, Walmart 2Aers are white. Easy to figure that out.
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Something in his pocket
If he was going to shoot the cop, why would he tell him that he had a gun?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:36 pm to ghost2most
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For all you gun lovers that spout how guns save lives, for every one time they do, you have 50 that end up worse than if there were no guns involved.
Gun owners are irrational just like pitt owners.
Well you can't corroborate any of those numbers with data given that you can't account for lives saved by presence of guns or that lives were lost on account of "too many guns," something which is also vague and indeterminable. So by definition, your conclusions are actually the irrational ones.
And I am not at all concerned that I'll get shot in a similar circumstance because I'm not an idiot who reaches toward a gun during an encounter with an officer, particularly after he shouts nervously for me not to reach for it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:43 pm to jbgleason
Eh he was honest with him not sure why he jumped the gun and fired so many freaking times
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:58 pm to Loungefly85
Of course he wasn't out to shoot him
It's not racial
Doesn't make it justified though
Actually his reaction somewhat seems like he is unsure of his decision and trying to justify it with himself.
It was not intended but some cops can make poor decisions in what appears to be critical conditions.
I still believe he overreacted and he feels horrible about it.
I know cops aren't suppose to be cowards but why stand there shooting him so many times. Dude even had his seatbelt on. He has such a clear angle on him.. shoot his arm or leg if you want my goodness. Taser him.. anything.
It's whatever and not worth fighting over on here though. Just seems like such overreaction when the guy pulled over has a woman and child in the back.. is wearing a seatbelt and honestly informs the cop.. he may have just had a lakes in judgement himself possibly going to get his license or undo his seatbelt I have no idea I just see the cop go nuts shooting him so many times when he has the clear upperhand. Probably even wearing a vest.
It's not racial
Doesn't make it justified though
Actually his reaction somewhat seems like he is unsure of his decision and trying to justify it with himself.
It was not intended but some cops can make poor decisions in what appears to be critical conditions.
I still believe he overreacted and he feels horrible about it.
I know cops aren't suppose to be cowards but why stand there shooting him so many times. Dude even had his seatbelt on. He has such a clear angle on him.. shoot his arm or leg if you want my goodness. Taser him.. anything.
It's whatever and not worth fighting over on here though. Just seems like such overreaction when the guy pulled over has a woman and child in the back.. is wearing a seatbelt and honestly informs the cop.. he may have just had a lakes in judgement himself possibly going to get his license or undo his seatbelt I have no idea I just see the cop go nuts shooting him so many times when he has the clear upperhand. Probably even wearing a vest.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:03 am to jbgleason
It's all speculation but I think he wasn't thinking and assuming since he was honest it was okay to go for his info to show the cop something else and the cop perceived it as a threat and jumped the gun
It's nothing to do with race or intent and not something he wanted to do... but it still may not have been necessary..
I'm out of this though. People believe as they wish and I just have a feeling the officer made a huge mistake overreacting.
It's nothing to do with race or intent and not something he wanted to do... but it still may not have been necessary..
I'm out of this though. People believe as they wish and I just have a feeling the officer made a huge mistake overreacting.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:11 am to ColeLSU
Yeah there's no such thing as a trigger happy cop
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:35 am to reggieray420
Here's something I'm just not quite getting- WTF is the lady doing with livestream going so fast?
Watching the video it was 42 seconds after seeing her boyfriend shot 7 times that she started live-streaming. Assuming that it takes a few seconds to get your phone/app ready to start broadcasting that leaves about 30-35 seconds from shooting to deciding to film.
Her daughter is in the back seat. Not once does she do what my mom would have done and ask her child if she was alright. Not fricking once. It isn't until later after the cops get her out of the car does she ask someone else about her child.
It just all seems so bizarre. Not only does she so quickly film it, she post a live stream of it. She doesn't even seem to care about her child. She isn't acting like I would expect anyone, especially a mother, to act and like I think I would act in this situation.
Watching the video it was 42 seconds after seeing her boyfriend shot 7 times that she started live-streaming. Assuming that it takes a few seconds to get your phone/app ready to start broadcasting that leaves about 30-35 seconds from shooting to deciding to film.
Her daughter is in the back seat. Not once does she do what my mom would have done and ask her child if she was alright. Not fricking once. It isn't until later after the cops get her out of the car does she ask someone else about her child.
It just all seems so bizarre. Not only does she so quickly film it, she post a live stream of it. She doesn't even seem to care about her child. She isn't acting like I would expect anyone, especially a mother, to act and like I think I would act in this situation.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:42 am to SlapahoeTribe
I can see only one conclusion: She and Philando set the poor cop up. They'd probably been running that scam for years, only this time, it caught up to them.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 12:43 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:23 am to rondo
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you have no clue if he touched or went for his firearm.
He says "Imma have to pull it out" as the officer is telling him not to
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:31 am to jbgleason
this video is supposed to change my views on this case? because it doesn't
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:49 am to Vlatket
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He was going for the licence. That dip shite cop panicked and overreacted. Most of these idiot cops that roam the street are about as worthless and unqualified as a limp penis. Should have went to prison.
So you are betting your life on that? As quick as the cop shot was exactly how fast Castille would of shot the cop.
Again, my understanding was the gun was not holstered but it was in between the seat and Castille's leg. As soon as he is pulled over, why would Castille not move it somewhere safer? Almost 100% chance the cop asks for your license if you are pulled over. Why would he not get his wallet out from next to the gun? Why would he not have his hands up on the steering wheel if he had a gun?
Those are all completely common sense things to do. I agree the cop may not have been perfect here, but Castille was the one that made the situation deadly not the cop. There were multiple ways for Castille to make that situation not happen, and he didn't do it.
If someone like Castille was going to shoot a cop, having a female and young girl in the car would also be a way to reduce the cops' expectations of something bad happening. I don't think that's what was going to happen here, but we'll never know.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 7:51 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:56 am to rondo
Agree. I do t believe that man reached for his gun. He wouldn't have told the officer he had one if that was his intention. This cop committed murder.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:57 am to Salmon
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this video is supposed to change my views on this case? because it doesn't
This.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:06 am to ChewyDante
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And I am not at all concerned that I'll get shot in a similar circumstance because I'm not an idiot who reaches toward a gun during an encounter with an officer, particularly after he shouts nervously for me not to reach for it.
It doesnt matter what you think you're doing, it matters what the cop thinks you're doing...
In other words, you can't control someone else's behavior.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:10 am to NYNolaguy1
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It doesnt matter what you think you're doing, it matters what the cop thinks you're doing...
Correct. Th standard here (and in basically any self defense case) is whether the perception of the events by the officer were reasonable given the facts.
In th criminal justice system, we don't use the potential intent of the person upon whom force is used, only what can reasonably be inferred by their actions.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:17 am to Antonio Moss
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reasonably be inferred
Which is the problem I have with this case. If I was on this jury I am not sure I would have agreed it was reasonable to assume he was going for a gun that was not visible to the officer. Also the totality of circumstances leads me to think a calmer officer would not have perceived this as a threat.
Generally speaking most people don't tell an officer they have a weapon in the car with their SO and baby in the backseat only to ambush an officer.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:18 am to jbgleason
That officers sure was quick on the draw. However, I wasn't on the jury.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:19 am to jbgleason
Just jumping in to give my 2 cents.
Cop didn't seem too alarmed when Castile told him he had a gun. Cop became alarmed when Castile wouldn't stop digging in his pants whether it be for his gun or license.
Castile was an idiot and unable to follow simple instructions.
I feel sorry for the 27yo cop who has to live with killing an apparently stupid innocent man and dealing with people in the public hating him for no good reason.
Cop didn't seem too alarmed when Castile told him he had a gun. Cop became alarmed when Castile wouldn't stop digging in his pants whether it be for his gun or license.
Castile was an idiot and unable to follow simple instructions.
I feel sorry for the 27yo cop who has to live with killing an apparently stupid innocent man and dealing with people in the public hating him for no good reason.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:33 am to Chuker
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Castile was an idiot and unable to follow simple instructions. I feel sorry for the 27yo cop who has to live with killing an apparently stupid innocent man and dealing with people in the public hating him for no good reason.
Cry me a river. Nobody forced him to be a police officer...and at the end of that day he was still ALIVE. Can't say that for the other guy. Seems like there are pretty good reasons for him receiving some heat imo.
Can't believe I'm seeing people lay 0% of the blame on the officer...can you honestly say "man...any officer would have done the same thing". I sure as hell can't.
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