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Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:46 am to LSUballs
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Ok, so I read the whole quote. It doesn’t really say or imply anything different than the OP
Yea I am confused how LSUPride thinks that was some gotcha
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:48 am to stout
“If any” gives the notion the original vaccine provides close to zero protection
That seems a bit like a stretch when you read the entire article, no?
Evading some of the original protection is a far different statement that saying “if any”. But downvote away and get angry yada yada
That seems a bit like a stretch when you read the entire article, no?
quote:
Bourla said omicron is a more difficult target than previous variants. Omicron, which has dozens of mutations, can evade some of the protection provided by Pfizer’s original two shots.
Evading some of the original protection is a far different statement that saying “if any”. But downvote away and get angry yada yada
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:50 am to mdomingue
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So reading an entire quote is gullible?
You cant be serious
What do you do for a living?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:51 am to lsupride87
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I mean it’s a fact the vaccine based immunity wanes.
Newsflash: The vaccine hasn't really worked ever since the first dose and wave.
Can you prove it did other than anecdotal evidence that some people got less sick which was already a thing even without the vaccine?
So now suddenly the CEO is telling the truth but in the same breath telling you to get just one more shot (the 4th) and to do so within 5 months of the 3rd shot you took?
ETA: And in case you forgot, the most vaccinated countries in the world have had issues with every variant. The vaccine is a failure all around.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:51 am to stout
Starting the drumbeat for lifelong booster shots. No way. Not going to do it.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:51 am to stout
It's almost like they needed time to see how this vaccine actually works. Enjoy your experimental serum flowing through your veins.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:53 am to stout
quote:You serious man? Hospitals being 90 plus percent unvaxxed across the country is “ancedotal evidence”? Even currently with waning immunity it’s 75% plus unvaxxed. Those numbers are so high when you consider the most vaxxed population is the most vulnerable one
Newsflash: The vaccine hasn't really worked ever since the first dose and wave.
Can you prove it did other than anecdotal evidence that some people got less sick which was already a thing even without the vaccine?
If you say that’s only anecdotal evidence there is zero reasoning with you
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 8:55 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:53 am to stout
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Newsflash: The vaccine hasn't really worked ever since the first dose and wave.
Can you prove it did other than anecdotal evidence that some people got less sick which was already a thing even without the vaccine?
Virtually every reputable study disagrees with this. I don't know why y'all get such a boner for posting this stuff. The fact that the vaccine was effective in earlier waves doesn't make you some kind of anarchist communist lockdown supporter. It's weird.
ETA: here's something "other than anecdotal evidence"
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Results The study included 8153 cases and their matched controls. Two dose vaccine effectiveness was 86.7% (95% confidence interval 84.3% to 88.7%) against infection with the delta variant, 98.4% (96.9% to 99.1%) against alpha, 90.4% (73.9% to 96.5%) against mu, 96-98% against other identified variants, and 79.9% (76.9% to 82.5%) against unidentified variants (that is, specimens that failed sequencing). Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission with the delta variant was 97.5% (92.7% to 99.2%). Vaccine effectiveness against infection with the delta variant declined from 94.1% (90.5% to 96.3%) 14-60 days after vaccination to 80.0% (70.2% to 86.6%) 151-180 days after vaccination. Waning was less pronounced for non-delta variants. Vaccine effectiveness against delta infection was lower among people aged =65 years (75.2%, 59.6% to 84.8%) than those aged 18-64 years (87.9%, 85.5% to 89.9%). One dose vaccine effectiveness was 77.0% (60.7% to 86.5%) against infection with delta.
It breaks down effectiveness against infection vs hospital admission. It breaks it down by variant. It accounts for time since vaccination. n = 8153. It's basically everything you could ask for in a study.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:54 am to stout
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Yea I am confused how LSUPride thinks that was some gotcha
Flinging shite, hoping it sticks.
The vaccines were misrepresented from the beginning. A year from now, the narrative will be totally different.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:56 am to SDVTiger
quote:Both of my parents are in their mid-70's. Both are heart patients, and my dad also has COPD. They caught COVID just before the vax became available. Other than my dad needing some supplemental oxygen, they got past it pretty easily. Their docs, primary, cardiologist, and pulmonologist, all recommended get the vax when it became available. So they did, including the second round.
Its all crumbling down for many posters on this site
Epescially the Drs who are really CPAs on this board
When the 3rd booster came out, the docs told them not to get it. I doubt, if they knew then, what they know now, they wouldn't have recommend the vax in the 1st place.
BTW, my Dad just had a stent placed this week. Neither parents are obese.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:58 am to stout
Man I wish I had this guy’s balls for essentially selling a defective product to federal govts around the world for billions of dollars
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The vaccines were misrepresented from the beginning
You guys are utterly obsessed with the '2-dose' narrative, as though nothing could change or that narrative could be informed by trying to get people vaccinated. Obviously, it would have been better if the CDC wasn't so definitive, as there are so few vaccination programs which only require two doses. And that's what we are in the process of developing, a primary vaccination program.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:59 am to Ingeniero
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the vaccine was effective in earlier waves
It was never a preventative vaccine, did not prevent transmission from the beginning even though that's how it was sold to the public.
It helps keep people who are old, fat and smoke from dying.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
Why don’t we just make a vaccine that cures all the world’s viruses….
It’s like we forgot vaccines for the flu can’t be effective bc it’s constantly changing…
It’s like we forgot vaccines for the flu can’t be effective bc it’s constantly changing…
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:00 am to stout
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How many more billions do we need to send you of tax payer funds
Nice Dodge.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It was never a preventative vaccine, did not prevent transmission from the beginning even though that's how it was sold to the public.
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Results The study included 8153 cases and their matched controls. Two dose vaccine effectiveness was 86.7% (95% confidence interval 84.3% to 88.7%) against infection with the delta variant, 98.4% (96.9% to 99.1%) against alpha, 90.4% (73.9% to 96.5%) against mu, 96-98% against other identified variants, and 79.9% (76.9% to 82.5%) against unidentified variants (that is, specimens that failed sequencing). Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission with the delta variant was 97.5% (92.7% to 99.2%). Vaccine effectiveness against infection with the delta variant declined from 94.1% (90.5% to 96.3%) 14-60 days after vaccination to 80.0% (70.2% to 86.6%) 151-180 days after vaccination. Waning was less pronounced for non-delta variants. Vaccine effectiveness against delta infection was lower among people aged =65 years (75.2%, 59.6% to 84.8%) than those aged 18-64 years (87.9%, 85.5% to 89.9%). One dose vaccine effectiveness was 77.0% (60.7% to 86.5%) against infection with delta.
I bolded, underlined, and italicized the relevant part. Let me know if you need some more help reading, Roger.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:03 am to crazy4lsu
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You guys are utterly obsessed with the '2-dose' narrative,
Nice deflect
The vaccine protocols have changed dramatically, simply because it does not do what it was advertised to do.
Are you actually disagreeing?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:03 am to stout
I'd really like to know where all this is going.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:03 am to stout
I'm pretty sure that back in April last year he said it was 100% effective in preventing CoviD-19.
Weird!
Weird!
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