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re: Per CDC: 112k deaths in the US from the virus, total US population 328m

Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:22 am to
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17116 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:22 am to
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if someone has Covid.....they should be counted in the Covid numbers. Maybe put a disclaimer


Well these patients aren't in the hospital because of Covid, they are in the hospital because they have cancer,,, they just happen to have tested positive for Covid. Of course there should be a distinction.

The media and politicians use cases such as these to boost their hysteria claims of "X number of people are hospitalized b/c of the covid virus" to make people scared of the virus.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61921 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:24 am to
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We’ve given up trillions (with more to come) for .034% of the total US population,


Yeah, your decimal’s out of place, but someone already mentioned that. I keep coming back to that study I read on here, which granted was limited to only 6 cities I believe (and I don’t remember how many people were tested in each city, but it appeared to be random enough to be a decent barometer for the rest of the country). On the low end of the 6 cities, there were 6 people who either had it or had antibodies indicating they had already had per 1 reported case. On the high end, the ratio was 24:1. So there’s a shitload of people who are walking around with it asymptomatic.

So, obviously, the mortality rate is based on deaths per reported cases, but if this study was any indication, and they were able to factor deaths per actual positive case rather than reported positive case, then the mortality rate would look dramatically lower.

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the overwhelming number of those being retirement age.



Not many people actually retiring at 55 these days. I’m sure you’re still in your 20s or 30s. Dip your toes into your 40s, and you won’t be so quick to shoo the 55-year-olds off the planet. 55 is way too low to be the cutoff to make a case it’s a lesser deal than it’s being made out to be. 55-year-olds are much more vibrant and productive than they were a few decades ago. Plenty of other stats can do that, anyway. Need to bump that number up to at least 70. But your point still clearly stands.
Posted by LSUBadger
Member since Jan 2014
2238 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:25 am to
When you test positive, I believe you are required to take the test again trying to see if it was a false positive. Is that also inflating the infected top line by double counting?
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:31 am to
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When you test positive, I believe you are required to take the test again trying to see if it was a false positive. Is that also inflating the infected top line by double counting?



Oh so one person is being tested twice?
And getting it twice so they say there are 2 cases of Corona?
Holy shite you’re on to something
Posted by Lebowski
Dallas
Member since Oct 2013
3544 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:34 am to
This will go down as the most expensive over exaggeration/lie in the history of mankind.
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
3626 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:43 am to
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- 46.7k/112k deaths were in New York & New Jersey

- 103k/112k deaths from age 55+

- 8k deaths are Between the ages of 35-54

- 941 deaths TOTAL from age 0-34


Self imposed $3 Trillion dollars and double digit unemployment for this is INSANE!
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3488 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:46 am to
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This will go down as the most expensive over exaggeration/lie in the history of mankind.




IMO... History will view the world's response to Covid a bit like running the car off the road into a tree in an effort to avoid hitting a squirrel in the road....

Time will tell....
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:47 am to
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So what about the 35-55 age group?


350 duh
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171936 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:48 am to
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When you test positive, I believe you are required to take the test again trying to see if it was a false positive. Is that also inflating the infected top line by double counting?


I know facts aren’t really this site’s thing, but can we start posting evidence to support shite like this?
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14976 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:49 am to
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WTF was NY doing?


sending the elderly that tested positive for Covid to nursing homes instead of hospitals.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56722 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:53 am to
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Relatively few.


The fact that any, at all, have been counted as COVID deaths means the numbers are pretty much worthless.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:55 am to
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When you test positive, I believe you are required to take the test again trying to see if it was a false positive. Is that also inflating the infected top line by double counting?


That’s not true
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107835 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:55 am to
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I know facts aren’t really this site’s thing, but can we start posting evidence to support shite like this?
Im not saying that never happens, but that would be extremely rare and doubt its double counted


Now, that is happening alot, is people testing positive, coming back a week or so later to take another test to see if they are still shedding virus, and test positive again. This absolutely gets reported as two positives
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51603 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:56 am to
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I wonder how many of those 112k died from something else and just happened to have the virus

At any given time, Way less than 5% of our population has the virus. The odds of a person dying of something else, who happens to have the virus, would be less than 5%. So assume 5%. That’s less than 6,000 people. That would mean 106,000 died instead of 112,000. Sure doesn’t change the picture much. And there are probably a fair amount of people, especially early on, who died of COVID (remember, a lot of us think the virus was here much sooner) and were not counted.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:57 am to
You aren’t required to test again but if you do they ask you to wait 10 days before testing again.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107835 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:59 am to
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You aren’t required to test again but if you do they ask you to wait 10 days before testing again.


You arent required to do anyhting


But people want to get tested again so they know they are no longer shedding virus so they can go around friends and family again. I have tons of duplicates in the ochsner data. Tons. Now, we filter those out to not count them as new cases, but the state.......
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 8:59 am
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:00 am to
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You arent required to do anyhting


The poster above said you were required to get tested again.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51603 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:02 am to
I point this out every time someone makes the stupid point that the OP is making. No one shuts down the economy to save the people who would die either way. They shut down the country to save the people WHO DID NOT DIE!!!!!! And none of us knows how many that is, or will turn out to be.

I was cautiously in favor of some shutdowns because we just did not know how bad it was. After three weeks of shutdowns I was in favor of reopening. I flew commercially from NOLA to Utah for a vacation four weeks into the shutdown, so I’m not a pro-lockdown man. But your logic is an embarrassment to my cause.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51603 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:15 am to
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So, an extra 50k deaths versus $3 Trillion in economic damage.

Geez, the ijits are out in full force! No, man, Sweden still suffered the lion’s share of the economic damage that we have. They did tremendous social isolation in Sweden; it just wasn’t all mandated. Sweden has been in something like our phase 2 all along. But a lot of Swedes have treated it as a full lockdown.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50157 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:17 am to
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WTF was NY doing?


Sending elderly people with Covid-19 to nursing homes where it could be contained. Oh wait, it wasn’t contained. It spread like wildfire through the most susceptible segment of the population.

New York’s elected officials should be drawn and quartered for that decision.
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