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re: People who think they are smart because they pay cash for their cars

Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
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Member since Dec 2010
10979 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:29 pm to
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Your guys need to look up this Finance 101 concept called 'Time Value of Money'.

Sounds like you need to look up “risk”. Debt adds to risk.

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If you can finance the car at a rate that's lower than what you typically make out of your investments, you should choose to finance instead of paying cash, even if you can afford to pay for the car fully using cash.


My car note is 0.00. Every month, my car note is the same 0.00.
Why? Because I paid C A S H.

My only debt is my house.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:34 pm to
There is no one size fits all way to handle finances, and there are certainly advantages to paying cash for a car..... but why do people keep saying “I have a $0 note!!!!” as some kind of argument winner? You already paid full value for something that a person who finances gets to spread over multiple years. Paying for things sooner isn’t something to brag about in isolation.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22476 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:35 pm to
Dave's problem isn't just the finance charges. It's the depreciation hit on a new car. And he's right.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:38 pm to
I mean the new car issue is a bit different than the “how to pay for a vehicle” issue.
Posted by euphemus
Member since Mar 2014
560 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:46 pm to
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My car note is 0.00. Every month, my car note is the same 0.00.
Why? Because I paid C A S H.

My only debt is my house.

What a totally useless and pointless post. I bet you are one of the folks Dave Ramsey's made his fortune off of. There are some truly awful posts in this thread and this is one of them.
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5963 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 5:57 pm to

People who can afford to do so, do so to avoid the hassle of monthly car notes and reduce insurance and vehicle costs. Then there are people like you who choose the hassles and higher costs. There is gratitude in being debt free, and I never listened to Ramsey.




Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
38594 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 6:20 pm to
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You look it up, I already said I wasn’t going back and forth posting articles, I don’t care enough



Lol he actually backed up his stats but you refuse to


The funny thing is in this thread we have people who claim that it's idiotic to pay for something because they 100% can make more than that investing....yet that includes the bank being "stupid" with that much cash on hand giving it to the borrower for that "low" rate of return

The borrower is the slave to the lender
Posted by kc8876
Member since May 2012
3717 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:37 pm to
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Lol he actually backed up his stats but you refuse to


I didn’t refuse to do anything, I told him before he sent that that I wasn’t going back and forth posting articles that I already know he’s read that say what the average is

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The funny thing is in this thread we have people who claim that it's idiotic to pay for something because they 100% can make more than that investing....yet that includes the bank being "stupid" with that much cash on hand giving it to the borrower for that "low" rate of return

The borrower is the slave to the lender


So the bank loaning someone money that doesn’t need it because they are financially secure is a reason for a person to not use it to their advantage because the bank will get a low rate of return?

Don’t answer that, because you have no idea what you’re talking about
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:22 am to
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You do realize interest goes both ways, i.e you can also make interest on the money you invest?



Over 5 year loan though?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:36 am to
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hassle of monthly car notes


There is this thing called auto-pay. It works wonders.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:39 am to
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100% can make more than that investing....yet that includes the bank being "stupid" with that much cash on hand giving it to the borrower for that "low" rate of return


Anyone who says something is “100%” is wrong. At the same time, the bank’s economics aren’t the same as an individual’s. Just like with credit cards, a decent part of their upside is actually the people that default.

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The borrower is the slave to the lender


This is stupid. Every significantly sized company in the world has debt on their books. I guess they are all stupid too?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
67020 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:55 am to
I'm not sure if this has been covered, but the only thing I'll add is that if you have two recurring payments, house and car loans, and you want to pay off one, do so on the car.
The house loan is tax deductiblw, whereas the car loan is not.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:26 am to
I'm willing to bet that every single person in this thread who has written " I pay cash for my cars " is either

A) A liar

or

B) A person who has never owned a car worth more than $2500.

I mean the average American couldn't even come up with $1000 in cash with 24 hours notice, but we're to believe that nigh on 30% of OT posters buy new cars with cash? Come on.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:36 am to
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I'm willing to bet that every single person in this thread who has written " I pay cash for my cars " is either

A) A liar

or

B) A person who has never owned a car worth more than $2500.

I mean the average American couldn't even come up with $1000 in cash with 24 hours notice, but we're to believe that nigh on 30% of OT posters buy new cars with cash? Come on.




...and apparently are some of the smartest hedge fund managers around with an annual return north of 20% repeatedly with zero downside risk.

Have an upvote, sir.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:37 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43552 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:38 am to
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...and apparently are some of the smartest hedge fund managers around with an annual return north of 20% repeatedly with zero downside risk.


I thought my 3% return was reasonable
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:42 am to
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.and apparently are some of the smartest hedge fund managers around with an annual return north of 20% repeatedly with zero downside risk.

Have an upvote, sir.



Of course they also average 6'4 226 lbs , run a 4.3 40 and have an average IQ of 158, so there's that............

and right back at you with the upvote.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:05 am to
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I'm willing to bet that every single person in this thread who has written " I pay cash for my cars " is either

A) A liar

or

B) A person who has never owned a car worth more than $10,000.


Fify. Thats just me though.
Posted by arkiebrian
NWA
Member since Nov 2006
4167 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:37 am to
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I'm willing to bet that every single person in this thread who has written " I pay cash for my cars " is either A) A liar or B) A person who has never owned a car worth more than $2500.

I couldn't always do this but now I can so I do. Maybe I'm a little further on in life than you?
quote:

I mean the average American couldn't even come up with $1000 in cash with 24 hours notice, but we're to believe that nigh on 30% of OT posters buy new cars with cash? Come on.

This is true. The average American is very stupid. Do you count yourself among them? I don't.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:42 am to
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I couldn't always do this but now I can so I do. Maybe I'm a little further on in life than you?


NO ONE believes you are buying new cars and paying cash.

I retired from the military at age 42 with a nice retirement package. I'm not even a little bit worried about whether you are "further along in life" than I am. I am concerned , however, about your need to lie on anonymous message board, and my fear is that your next step is a complete psychotic break which results in yet another push to take away MY guns.

Posted by arkiebrian
NWA
Member since Nov 2006
4167 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:45 am to
ok buddy

Sorry things are so rough for you.
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