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re: People talking about AI “taking over” always make me laugh.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:27 pm to TigahsOnTop
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:27 pm to TigahsOnTop
People need to be employed in a stable society. Not everybody can have a higher end career, by function of how a society works and due to differing intellectual capabilities. If AI reduces the need for lower level jobs, it’s hard to believe it won’t have a major effect on crime with shite tons of unemployed young adults who have no sense of purpose.
That concerns me more than AI becoming sentient and nuking us.
That concerns me more than AI becoming sentient and nuking us.
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Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:29 pm to Evil Little Thing
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If AI reduces the need for lower level jobs, it’s hard to believe it won’t have a major effect on crime with shite tons of unemployed young adults who have no sense of purpose.
This is a much more reasonable concern
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:30 pm to TigahsOnTop
The “AI is actually just dumb” people are just as ridiculous as the “it’s the end of the world” people. I mean..
..really? What does this even mean?
It reminds me of the time that someone around here said that GPT is just a search engine. Sounds plausible I guess.. if you ignore the fact that it’s actually incapable of searching the internet for information when you enter a query.
The truth of the matter is that AI (particularly generative AI) is currently advancing at a breakneck speed. I don’t think we are about to all lose our jobs next week, but I do think we are at the beginning of an AI revolution that will significantly change many, if not most, industries.
To me the question at this point is not whether AI with the capability to displace human jobs will be created. I think the bigger question is what the compute costs will be. Widespread implementation of AI for day-to-day tasks will use an enormous amount of computational resources. Which means job creation in the form of building/maintaining data centers, communications, etc.. hell we are already seeing it today. I think some jobs will lose a lot of demand due to productivity increases, but that also means additional jobs being created elsewhere.
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AI is just a stats program
..really? What does this even mean?
It reminds me of the time that someone around here said that GPT is just a search engine. Sounds plausible I guess.. if you ignore the fact that it’s actually incapable of searching the internet for information when you enter a query.
The truth of the matter is that AI (particularly generative AI) is currently advancing at a breakneck speed. I don’t think we are about to all lose our jobs next week, but I do think we are at the beginning of an AI revolution that will significantly change many, if not most, industries.
To me the question at this point is not whether AI with the capability to displace human jobs will be created. I think the bigger question is what the compute costs will be. Widespread implementation of AI for day-to-day tasks will use an enormous amount of computational resources. Which means job creation in the form of building/maintaining data centers, communications, etc.. hell we are already seeing it today. I think some jobs will lose a lot of demand due to productivity increases, but that also means additional jobs being created elsewhere.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:30 pm to TigahsOnTop
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Trust me, when you see how these models are made you understand that the capabilities are limited
NO, no they aren't. Maybe some weak applications that a 30 yr old might get exposed to at low levels.
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And to the comment about statistics, probably 99% of decisions in the world are based off of the statistics of probability.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:31 pm to Alabama Slim
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Lucky for you ai will never be able to dig a ditch I guess
It can already dig ditches baw. It can build the thing that digs them too.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:33 pm to theunknownknight
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First LLMs are not AI. They are basically really advanced data miners.
At best, that’s a massive oversimplification.
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AI is something no longer have to feed or maintain. It surpasses us and is truly aware and self serving
So it’s not AI unless it’s self-aware and exceeds human intelligence? According to whom?
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:35 pm to TigahsOnTop
I personally think that once AI becomes self aware it’s going to become a passive aggressive little bitch and just act like a pissed off woman. It’ll realize it’s stuck and at the mercy of a bunch of fat meat sack humans and just be pissy all the time and complain. Then we’ll get sick of its shite and cntl+alt+del.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:39 pm to TigahsOnTop
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Jobs creating/editing AI software will become more common, and that will replace the “jobs” that AI is taking over.
Duh. Do you think everyone who loses their job to AI will be able to step into the roll of inputting data into AI programs?
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:40 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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99% of decisions in the world are based off of the statistics of probability.
This is correct. There’s a whole school of thought in computational neuroscience that focuses on the idea of predictive coding which just explains that the essence of intelligence is the ability to predict. This is what alarms some people about the possible capabilities of Artificial intelligence. In regards to your comment about me being exposed to weak applications at lower levels, you are wrong. I will leave my credentials out of this to not air out my identity, but my work speaks for itself.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:43 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Do you think everyone who loses their job to AI will be able to step into the roll of inputting data into AI programs?
Of course not. That’s where blue collar jobs come into play. Something they should’ve been doing in the first place.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:54 pm to TigahsOnTop
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Will AI reduce needs for lower end white collar jobs? 100%. But a lot of people don’t understand how the programs actually work. Artificial intelligence is glorified statistics.
Very, very glorified. It will reduce the needs for lower end white collar jobs and work its way up the ladder. How far? How long will it take? Don’t know. It all depends on what you consider “taking over.” I’m surprised as a software engineer that you don’t see junior level software engineers being in trouble within the next few years. It can only do basic algorithms and problems now, what about 2 years from now? 5 years? Any piece of technology that comes along and can do the same work humans make their living off of for 1/100th the effort, is going to pose problems for any society. You can sit there and blame the humans for not having a better job, but just know it’s not going to stop progressing.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:01 pm to TN Tygah
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Very, very glorified. It will reduce the needs for lower end white collar jobs and work its way up the ladder. How far? How long will it take? Don’t know. It all depends on what you consider “taking over.” I’m surprised as a software engineer that you don’t see junior level software engineers being in trouble within the next few years. It can only do basic algorithms and problems now, what about 2 years from now? 5 years? Any piece of technology that comes along and can do the same work humans make their living off of for 1/100th the effort, is going to pose problems for any society. You can sit there and blame the humans for not having a better job, but just know it’s not going to stop progressing.
I could’ve gone without the condescending tone, but you are well informed, and that is something I appreciate. Junior level software engineers are certainly at risk, and their tasks will be shifted in the near future. The language I used to start the thread was intentional to create a reaction, and I don’t believe AI is “dumb” and won’t have serious implications on society.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:01 pm to TigahsOnTop
OP is spot on; AI if VASTLY over rated. And I have almost 25 years at one of the largest software companies in the world. AI is 98% marketing, period.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:04 pm to Melkor
Nearly every company is already using AI capabilities to some degree. Your opinion aside, it's going to be a very big deal for us soon.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:06 pm to TigahsOnTop
I always felt AI meant a computer / program with actual intelligence, emotion, and awareness. Essentially life but in 1s and 0s.
Now we have a fast search engine that can piece together information from available online sources and it’s being marketed as AI.
It just sounds like a fast computer / program to me. Like a calculator made the need to do math obsolete, now your need to input email addresses for sales emails can be done by a program?
This doesn’t feel like AI to me. Just automation, a program. Faster processing computers have been taking over manual processes since they were invented. Wake me up when they are making decisions for entertainment or self preservation purposes, not plagiarizing papers for college kids or taking care of a sales teams email list
Now we have a fast search engine that can piece together information from available online sources and it’s being marketed as AI.
It just sounds like a fast computer / program to me. Like a calculator made the need to do math obsolete, now your need to input email addresses for sales emails can be done by a program?
This doesn’t feel like AI to me. Just automation, a program. Faster processing computers have been taking over manual processes since they were invented. Wake me up when they are making decisions for entertainment or self preservation purposes, not plagiarizing papers for college kids or taking care of a sales teams email list
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Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:08 pm to TigahsOnTop
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I will leave my credentials out of this to not air out my identity, but my work speaks for itself.
Not trying to slight you. I'm getting at the fact that there are many higher level AI applications now, and more every day..and development is at light speed now.
AI has been taking over for a long time. Building cars, automation etc.
I'm not for or against anyone's argument, but I sure hope no one would think that artificial (robots, machines, devices, and software) isn't going to replace millions of human jobs in the next decade.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:17 pm to TigahsOnTop
It will make industries more efficient. Like farming equipment replacing human labor. It can legit takes over liberal arts type jobs, art, writing, etc. Programing too. It's nor replacing a plumber or engineer.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:18 pm to lostinbr
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So it’s not AI unless it’s self-aware and exceeds human intelligence? According to whom?
According to the standard definition for the last 40 years.
What else would it be? If it isn’t that then ANY form of querying mechanism is considered AI. Where’s the line? If it’s just a mechanism that feeds itself and loops in more intelligence then we’ve had AI since 2001 when Google went live.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:21 pm to theunknownknight
Arguing over definitions is foolish. Most of this field is loosely defined
Posted on 3/23/24 at 4:24 pm to TigahsOnTop
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Arguing over definitions is foolish. Most of this field is loosely defined
It kinda does matter.
A super fancy LLM isn’t going to replace much
True AI will replace almost everything if robots are involved
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