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Volvagia
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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
There is some basis to it.

I’ve done it to bacterial cells: use high voltage to generate pores in the cell wall to allow DNA to slip in.

It’s probably the best way to transfect mammalian cells in vivo. It’s the primary method of making knock out mice.
Not sure how it’ll feel on the skin though.

So it has sone merit, and the notion is not bleeding edge. An extreme form of it are used in cancer treatments where they need extreme precision.


But this particular application is entirely unproven. How many doses does it take for 100% assurance of immune response? Do you need to get the shot in different locations/times? How long is immunity? Can it generate an autoimmune response from the thousands of over expressed genes this method has a tendency of causing? Can you accidentally destroy nerve cells by transforming them with these viral genes and having the immune system target them?
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It should go without saying, but there is a reason the market cap of a company who says they have a vaccine for MERS, Ebola, Zika, and COVID-19 is only ~$400MM.


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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
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BNO Newsroom @BNODesk · BREAKING: Epicenter of coronavirus outbreak reports 2,420 new cases and 139 new deaths

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BNO Newsroom @BNODesk · 25s In addition to 139 new deaths, the number of people in serious and critical condition in Hubei province has risen from 9,638 to 10,152



These Chinese numbers are untrustworthy. I'm going to just sit back and see what happens to the international cases to see where this is gonna go from here.
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Capt ST
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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
Do we have a demographic breakdown on infections, deaths, recoveries?


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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
There was when there were 40 of them. Exhaustively so.

Not so much at 60k


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slackster
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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
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Do we have a demographic breakdown on infections, deaths, recoveries?


You're fricked if you're Wuhanian, concerned if you're Chinese, following if you're Caucasian, and immune if you're black or South American.



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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
This is not the first time that I have wished that I was black.



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Dr. Wooten: Despite the incredibly limited risk and out of an abundance of caution, the County is declaring a health emergency and proclaiming a local emergency.


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Nick Yphantides, County chief medical officer: There is an unprecedented coordination between local and federal authorities.


San Diego County declares a Health Emergency.
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San Diego County has just declared an immediate local emergency and public health emergency re: coronavirus. Supervisor Nathan Fletcher insists it is not because of an increased risk to public. 2 local cases currently. Declarations open up options for funding and resources.


Apparently, this is like declaring a disaster before a hurricane hits.
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slackster
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In order to open up the possibility of greater resources for conducting local quarantine operations connected to novel coronavirus, San Diego county public health officials declared health and local emergencies Friday afternoon.

The action, which must be ratified by the county board of supervisors approval on Feb. 19, is similar to one taken by the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors on Feb. 3 and renewed for an additional 30 days on Feb. 10. If approved, it would provide the county’s public health department with additional abilities to seek state reimbursement for the costs of examining, testing and following up with people in the community who are at increased risk of corona infection and also makes it easier to request help from other government agencies to conduct ongoing quarantine operations.

County Supervisor Nathan Fletcher emphasized that formally calling the current situation — one in which there is no evidence that the virus is spreading locally — an emergency does not mean anything has changed on the ground. Today, the only two confirmed cases of novel coronavirus, which the medical community has taken to calling COVID-19, are two people who arrived in San Diego last week on evacuation flights out of China and who have been sitting in isolation rooms at UC San Diego Health facilities since they first started showing symptoms.

“To be clear, today’s action does not signify any increase in risk to the residents of San Diego County,” Fletcher said.



Didn't realize another county already did this.
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WaWaWeeWa
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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
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It’s probably the best way to transfect mammalian cells in vivo.


Yes, I am aware of this in vivo. But as I’m sure you know, and indicated, not everything in vivo works in vitro. In fact it’s a perfect choice for snake oil because they can point to the in vivo studies as evidence when it’s not.

I’m not saying it won’t work. I’m just saying this company has a lot of red flags.

They had a vaccine in 3 hours and use a technique no one else is using when the CDC predicts it will be a year before a vaccine... hmmmm


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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
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Yes, I am aware of this in vivo. But as I’m sure you know, and indicated, not everything in vivo works in vitro.


Um. I think you have them flipped.

In vivo is in a whole, biological setting. Analogous in context to “real world”.

In vitro is on a lab artificial setting. Cells in a Petri dish type thing


Capt ST
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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
Want to ride the system?


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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
Interesting analysis that is not too surprising if true...

LINK

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Anomalies had shown up in China’s coronavirus numbers even before the change in methodology. For instance, the number of deaths reported appeared to correspond to a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy, according to a quantitative-finance specialist who ran a regression of the data for Barron’s. A near-perfect 99.99% of variance is explained by the equation, this person said, referring to a statistical measure known as r-squared. That’s a fancy way of saying that the data updating the number of deaths was almost perfectly predictable. “This never happens with real data, which is always noisy,” the person said.


You would think the CCP would be smarter than that. Expect the numbers to start to vary more once the world knows their numbers are a fraud.

Also makes that previous story about much larger numbers “accidentally” posting on a government website.

It ticks me off how much the WHO backs the numbers and reporting coming from the CCP.


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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***


That is hilarious.

I will say though if this is true, I suspect they are just attempting to overly normalize the data. For it to be an abject fabrication you wouldn’t see them come back with revised/corrected numbers after initial release like they have done a few times.

Although the biggest thing I’d love to know is why exactly did they fire the guy in charge over the response. Not the public reason, the actual reason.
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Sorry to get off topic.


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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
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Anomalies had shown up in China’s coronavirus numbers


Wow that is insane. So basically they are saying the numbers could be entirely fabricated, and the result of a mathematical equation. That’s a bold claim.

Volvagia, you are 100% correct. Brain was thinking one thing hands were typing the other.
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re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
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You would think the CCP would be smarter than that


Can anyone confirm if Slackster is still alive or is he sent to a Chinese Prison Camp?


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