Posted by
Message
slackster
Stanford Fan
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
65072 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

Not even close. He tried to argue that “unstable” patients could be people just walking around with a fever because the number of unstable patients didn’t fit his narrative.


To be fair, that's not what I did nor what caused the spat last. I said I don't believe all critical/serious condition cases = ICU equivalent cases. I didn't think that would be remotely controversial.

quote:

He’s the opposite of the doomsayers to the point of aggravation.


Poker_hog and I make a good team. We're like the upper and lower bounds of how this will end up. Aggravating one another for the good of the lurkers in the thread is a nobel act.

quote:

It’s a form of virtue signaling where he is trying to portray a sense of superiority for not worrying about anything.


I worry about plenty. I simply think that worry should come with some perspective.


Korkstand
LSU Fan
Plaquemine, LA
Member since Nov 2003
17091 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

Which has been one of the criticisms on this board of your opinions. The numbers are not able to be trusted. Changing the criteria is a good method of how people muddy up statistics. Many knew they were going to be doing that.
I don't think anyone here puts 100% trust in the numbers out of China, slackster included. In fact, I've seen several posts of his where he basically ignores most of the China numbers and focuses on the ones from the rest of the world.

I am more than sure that when/if the rest of the world starts putting out concerning numbers, then AND ONLY THEN will slackster change his tune. Which is the rational and logical way to view this whole thing.


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
85
jackwoods4
New Orleans Saints Fan
Nashville
Member since Sep 2013
24528 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

NEW: Beijing orders residents returning to the city to self-quarantine for 14 days


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
20
slackster
Stanford Fan
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
65072 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

Which has been one of the criticisms on this board of your opinions. The numbers are not able to be trusted. Changing the criteria is a good method of how people muddy up statistics. Many knew they were going to be doing that.


I've said for two weeks now we could completely ignore China and focus on the rest of the world if you'd like. Like it or not, the numbers outside of China are mundane.

For example, yesterday a paper was posted that said the R0 was 4.6-6.7 based on cases doubling ~2.3 days. That's scary, but it needs context. It has taken the entirety of February for cases to double in the US. We had our 7th case on 1/31 and our 14th was yesterday. I believe we've only had one human to human transmission in the US so far, but I could be mistaken.

Point is, if you don't trust the third world statistics, there are plenty of first world reports that are promising.


jackwoods4
New Orleans Saints Fan
Nashville
Member since Sep 2013
24528 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
Yeah, I'm not saying it won't get bad here. That's certainly a possibility. But most international students and people who traveled for Lunar New Year did so roughly 3 or more weeks ago. I was honestly expecting more cases here by now.
This post was edited on 2/14 at 9:24 am


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
60
Lsut81
Chicago Cubs Fan
Member since Jun 2005
70085 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

there are plenty of first world reports that are promising.


Don’t look at those or you’re considered a sunshine pumper.


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
50
lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
7620 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

I've said for two weeks now we could completely ignore China and focus on the rest of the world if you'd like. Like it or not, the numbers outside of China are mundane.



The big problem with wait and see is when a worse virus comes out of China. If our plan is let's wait and see then we are screwed.

You happily posted china trends when it fit your narrative but now are like I don't trust them let's look outside china.


tigerfoot
LA-Monroe Fan
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
42426 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

We spent the night arguing about US ICU beds being overrun when there are 15 total cases in this country for frick's sake.
Well, y'all are all crazy.
quote:

It's the pandemic version of wish casting, and it rightfully deserved to be called out as the stupidity it is.

Like the person that prepares for every thunder storm like it is a Cat5, I dont think they really want to see the devastation brought by a huge storm, some people are just wired differently


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
23
Lsut81
Chicago Cubs Fan
Member since Jun 2005
70085 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

The big problem with wait and see is when a worse virus comes out of China. If our plan is let's wait and see then we are screwed.


The US definitely isn’t waiting, as they have banned people from entering the country who have been in China within the last two weeks. Other countries have started to follow suit.

The issue will be when people from other countries, like the Japanese guy earlier in this thread, get it and then come to the US.

It’s unrealistic to halt all international travel, but will the US begin to target certain regions with bans. Like Singapore and their growing cases... Who knows


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
20
slackster
Stanford Fan
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
65072 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

You happily posted china trends when it fit your narrative but now are like I don't trust them let's look outside china.


I posted Chinese trends, and will again, when they were using a consistent criteria. Some days were better than the trend line, some were worse.

You want me to discuss the trend when Hubei dumped who knows how many days worth of clinically confirmed cases in one report. That would be dumb. Surely you understand.


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
24
Korkstand
LSU Fan
Plaquemine, LA
Member since Nov 2003
17091 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

The big problem with wait and see is when a worse virus comes out of China. If our plan is let's wait and see then we are screwed.
And if we shut the world down every time something comes up that we don't understand yet, then we're screwing ourselves.


lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
7620 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

And if we shut the world down every time something comes up that we don't understand yet, then we're screwing ourselves.


The World or China? The market would fix it pretty quickly. China would stop having these issues or manufacturing etc would move out of there. People would quit relying on them. My guess is they would clean up their act.

But, I also guess it is better for the global economy to have an additional "flu" season that shuts schools and workers down for weeks at a time every year in perpetuity.
This post was edited on 2/14 at 9:41 am


WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
6339 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
if we can’t trust China we should be more conservative, not less.

It’s not spreading here because we are controlling it to an extent. At some point the influx of new cases can’t be controlled.

For the life of me I can’t understand why you think a respiratory virus would be more transmissible in China but not here. The flu starts in the East every year and it’s just as infectious here as it is there.

The lack of cases in the US doesn’t say anything about the contagiousness of the virus. It speaks to our ability to quarantine and monitor individuals. An ability that can be easily over run when the number of imported cases reaches critical mass.


Korkstand
LSU Fan
Plaquemine, LA
Member since Nov 2003
17091 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

The World or China?
What's the difference?
quote:

The market would fix it pretty quickly. China would stop having these issues or manufacturing etc would move out of there.
I don't think you quite understand how large a role China plays in everything. It would be a decades-long event to move a significant portion of Chinese production elsewhere. And it would be costly.
quote:

People would quit relying on them. My guess is they would clean up their act.
Just that simple, huh? You think you can just tell a billion people to stop being poor?


Volvagia
LSU Fan
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
47165 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

Changing the criteria is a good method of how people muddy up statistics. Many knew they were going to be doing that.


Now you are adding an insidious spin on it.

They didn’t change to criteria to what was beneficial to them (how can you see the numbers of the past few days and think that? )

They mirrored the prevailing definitions of other countries for consistency of reporting when tracking this on a global scale.

Conversely, the numbers didn’t change radically enough to justify the earlier cries of “actual counts are 10 times as bad!”


lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
7620 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

They didn’t change to criteria to what was beneficial to them


It was beneficial to them. They were able to come a little more clean on what was really happening but look like they were hiding nothing from rest of world. They were able to save face which is all China cares about.

"Hey just a little criteria change, we were not hiding anything. We promise!"
This post was edited on 2/14 at 9:58 am


lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
7620 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

I don't think you quite understand how large a role China plays in everything. It would be a decades-long event to move a significant portion of Chinese production elsewhere.


It already started with the Tariffs. Companies are completely rethinking China. Which everyone said would kill the global economy. This virus is only going to push more out of china.


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
31
Volvagia
LSU Fan
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
47165 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
But.....the actual reported numbers didn’t change.

Just the labels.

A pile of suspected cases/deaths moved to being attributed.

They were publicly clear how harshly they were excluding confirmed cases from the start so the only people who were foolishly acting like China was claiming to say that confirmed cases were the only cases simply because that was the only numbers they saw in a superficial skim of twitter posts and headlines.

This post was edited on 2/14 at 10:03 am


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
05
Volvagia
LSU Fan
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
47165 posts
 Online 

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
"Hey just a little criteria change, we were not hiding anything. We promise!"

Dude. THEY DIDNT COME UP WITH THE DEFINITION THEY SWAPED TO.

It’s kinda hard to make the point you are making unless you want to assume it’s a global conspiracy to get together and use a definition for themselves but one that China can later use to safe face if they want to.
This post was edited on 2/14 at 10:08 am


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
05
rds dc
Colorado Fan
Member since Jun 2008
15271 posts

re: People are collapsing on Wuhan streets - ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY***
quote:

9 more infected in Singapore, totaling 67.

8 people on that cruise ship in serious condition.


Singapore has what is considered a top tire healthcare system and the weather is warm there making it a good yardstick for this event.

Unfortunately, the cruise ship is an "experiment" that should produce a lot of data.


Jump to page
Page First 198 199 200 201 202 ... 236
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 200 of 236next pagelast page

Back to top

logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram