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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:17 pm to jamboybarry
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:17 pm to jamboybarry
Another recently completed Kailas/ Citadel project is the Parkway Apartments on Washington Ave near S. Jeff Davis Pkwy.
So it seems these guys were in other stuff together.
So it seems these guys were in other stuff together.
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Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:19 pm to jamboybarry
A testing lab doesn’t check the Engineers structural design.
The GC is engaged to build what is in the plans and specs as instructed by the plans and specs.
Designing a building that can barely support the red iron and concrete and putting a note that the contractor is “responsible for all temporary support” doesn’t get the structural engineer off the hook though.
The GC is engaged to build what is in the plans and specs as instructed by the plans and specs.
Designing a building that can barely support the red iron and concrete and putting a note that the contractor is “responsible for all temporary support” doesn’t get the structural engineer off the hook though.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:21 pm to doublecutter
Didn't go verify, but supposedly Citadel was going to be part of the World Trade project.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:32 pm to AndyCBR
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responsible for all temporary support
Shoring company had to sign off on the temp support.
Will be interesting to see those PE drawings.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:36 pm to AndyCBR
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A testing lab doesn’t check the Engineers structural design
I didn’t say they would. And I know the role of a testing lab
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:37 pm to jamboybarry
No but you’re suggesting (incorrectly) that it’s the GC’s job to verify the design.
Now, the GC may be at fault for many things in the end of this mess. But Being responsible to verify the Engineer of Record’s design is not one of them.
Now, the GC may be at fault for many things in the end of this mess. But Being responsible to verify the Engineer of Record’s design is not one of them.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:41 pm to AndyCBR
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No but you’re suggesting (incorrectly) that it’s the GC’s job to verify the design.
No. I wasn’t.
A poster asked about the GC having an engineer to “check up on the project”. I responded regarding the testing lab but never said they or the GC would verify the engineering or design like you’re suggesting.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:45 pm to jamboybarry
Dude, you are suggesting the GC engages an engineering company to check on the design.
At most a GC may engage a testing lab to do testing, that’s it.
You further suggest later in that post that cost cutting measures may have prevented this.
It isn’t the GC’s job to act as design engineer or checker.
At most, regardless of budget, the GC might engage a testing lab to test materials, NOT design.
At most a GC may engage a testing lab to do testing, that’s it.
You further suggest later in that post that cost cutting measures may have prevented this.
It isn’t the GC’s job to act as design engineer or checker.
At most, regardless of budget, the GC might engage a testing lab to test materials, NOT design.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:52 pm to AndyCBR
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Dude, you are suggesting the GC engages an engineering company to check on the design.
Again, dude, you’re wrong.
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At most a GC may engage a testing lab to do testing, that’s it.
That’s literally what i posted dummy
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You further suggest later in that post that cost cutting measures may have prevented this.
Yep. Do you have proof otherwise?
Go back and quote where I said the GC would verify or check the design. I’ll wait
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/19/19 at 4:00 pm to jamboybarry
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These contractors do not have their own engineers who are checking up on the project?
Dude a testing lab is not an engineer who is checking anything but material strength.
The poster you responded to is asking why a GC doesn’t have their own engineer who is “checking up on the project”.
That is not the GC’s job, Engaging a company like Terracon is not doing anything to validate design.
You suck at reading comprehension.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 4:07 pm to AndyCBR
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Dude a testing lab is not an engineer who is checking anything but material strength.
I never said they were and you can’t quote where I said they were. You’re looking for a fight that isn’t there.
Quit being a fricking retard. You can’t quote where I said anything about checking or verifying design so you can frick right off.
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You suck at reading comprehension.
I’m not the one making a claim he can’t back up
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/19/19 at 4:09 pm to AndyCBR
Genuinely asking here but what would happen when a sub goes to the contractor saying that the building was compromised and then gets fired? Would the contractor knowing that the engineering was subpar put them at fault?
Posted on 10/19/19 at 4:10 pm to LSU CRAZY
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If it was confederate statute it would be down by now
Send somebody up in a helicopter to paste a picture of Robert E. Lee on the cranes.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/19/19 at 4:14 pm to tokenBoiler
If I'm a GC and it's my license, reputation, workers, liability and I thought the design was subpar I would damn sure get another engineering firm to look at it. Even if I had to foot the bill. Just not worth the risk
Posted on 10/19/19 at 4:44 pm to Thedirkdiggler13
Every GC brings concerns to the Engineer. Most of the time he’s wrong. Sometimes he’s correct. It’s not your place to hire outside engineers. If your people can’t see a problem from experience you don’t need them.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:02 pm to PassionateTiger1990
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Genuinely asking here but what would happen when a sub goes to the contractor saying that the building was compromised and then gets fired? Would the contractor knowing that the engineering was subpar put them at fault?
The subcontract between a subcontractor and a GC is typically at will. Even in the most sub-friendly subcontract all a GC has to do is give written notice to terminate in a set number of days. It’s just like you’re employment.
It’s not the GC’s job to investigate, confirm, deny, or validate the Engineer of Records design.
With that said, if people were bringing it to my attention the building was self demolishing as it was being built I would take action. Why they, (Citadel) didn’t I can’t answer.
I’m not defending the GC per say I am just trying to help people understand the area of responsibility. The design is dictated by the plans provided by the engineer.
It gets a little more complex if the GC has to engage a third party engineering firm to design temporary shoring systems.
I am stlll anxious to understand how the final structural design was supposed to be executed based on the permit drawings which are obviously structurally deficient to anyone with even rudimentary engineering knowledge.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:24 pm to Thedirkdiggler13
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If I'm a GC and it's my license, reputation, workers, liability and I thought the design was subpar I would damn sure get another engineering firm to look at it. Even if I had to foot the bill. Just not worth the risk
No, you wouldnt.
You just dont take the job.
Youre not hiring engineers to review engineers. You'd wouldnt make any money....ever.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:18 pm to real turf fan
I hope those guys are getting something above their normal compensation, and I don't mean because it's a Saturday.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:18 pm to Thedirkdiggler13
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If I'm a GC and it's my license, reputation, workers, liability and I thought the design was subpar I would damn sure get another engineering firm to look at it. Even if I had to foot the bill. Just not worth the risk
Then, I'd hire an engineering firm to review the report of the engineering firm I hired to check the engineer's work.
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