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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:02 am to
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41099 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:02 am to
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Builders Risk and Performance bond will likely cover most of this.


Maybe... but I'm really surprised to see the main leads here are Latoya and the Fire Chief. I would have thought Citadel would have more of a public face here, leading this situation, after all, it is their build.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42654 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:03 am to
quote:


1. Hard Rock will send a letter that they can't take over the property. This will start the snowball.



Who owns the property?
Who hired the GC?
Who hired the Architect?
All of this will matter.
I don’t think Hard Rock is anything but the leasee or the hotel operator.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
56066 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:04 am to
Saenger has to rebuild after the flood, now this.
They are going to sue and get a lot of money from lost business which looks like might go for a year now assuming they don't have to rebuild if it collapses on the Saenger.

They better get it handled before Moulin Rouge comes to town.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41099 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:07 am to
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Who owns the property?


I believe this is an LLC comprised of the developer (Mohan Kailas, a somewhat shady figure), the president of Citadel (who is an investor in the project in addition to owning the GC), and other investors.

I would assume they hired the GC and the architect

Hard Rock is the "flag" (under a licensing agreement) and also was going to have a management agreement to run the hotel. But they were to have no substantial ownership in the property (maybe they ended up with a small ownership to just have skin in the game).
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41099 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:08 am to
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They are going to sue and get a lot of money from lost business which looks like might go for a year now assuming they don't have to rebuild if it collapses on the Saenger.


Get a lot of money from whom, exactly?

That seems to be the big question.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
179077 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:08 am to
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. I would have thought Citadel would have more of a public face here, leading this situation, after all, it is their build.



What they hell would Citadel being saying or doing in front of the public eye? What in the world would they have to offer?
Posted by oilmanNO
Member since Oct 2009
2876 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:08 am to
Ain’t going to be any money left baby
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42654 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:09 am to
quote:


Hard Rock is the "flag" (under a licensing agreement) and also was going to have a management agreement to run the hotel. But they were to have no substantial ownership in the property (maybe they ended up with a small ownership to just have skin in the game).



That’s why I believe they are really not relevant to the legal discussion.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:10 am to
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don’t think Hard Rock is anything but the leasee


Correct

Now they won't have a leasee. The bonding company can't complete the project and has no one to turn it over to.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42654 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:13 am to
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Correct

Now they won't have a leasee. The bonding company can't complete the project and has no one to turn it over to.


The GC’s bonding company is bound to the owner. Hard Rock isn’t important, it’s not their property and the bond(if there is one) does not involve them.

The bond would be between the owner and the GC if there is one.
Posted by Tall Tiger
Golden Rectangle
Member since Sep 2007
4273 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:15 am to
This will definitely be a performance bond claim. The limits of the bond, which I do not know in this case, would be determined by the contractor's bonding capacity, which is calculated by an underwriting process factoring in the size of the contractor and the projects it had ongoing at the time the bond was issued. The question is will the cost of demolition and reconstruction exceed the limit of the bond? If so, then it would be up to the developer to come up with the cash to finish the work.

The other side of the story are the builder's risk and CGL policies and their limits. I bet there are some under-insured parties that will have to declare bankruptcy, as their primary and excess limits only get them to a couple of million or so in coverage, which will be woefully inadequate. An Orleans Parish jury will hang everyone who touched this project on both the design and build side. The builder will blame the designer and vice versa, but a New Orleans jury won't like that or care.
Posted by doublecutter
Member since Oct 2003
7154 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:22 am to
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Mohan Kailas, a somewhat shady figure


I can't say what he did on this project, but 20 years ago I worked in management with a company that some construction related dealings with the Kailas Company. He squeezes a nickel until a booger pops out of Thomas Jefferson's nose.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42654 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:26 am to
Do you know if there is a bond?

I’ve seen cases where the owner snd GC are financially related that there is no bond.

I’m not saying that’s the case here, but you never know.

And you are right about insurance, there are limits. Whomever is at fault here is at risk.

It’s a shame too that subs and perhaps suppliers who are owed money and who have money tied up in retainage or in unpaid draws won’t get paid anytime soon or if ever.

The construction business can be rewarding, but it can be risky.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58523 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:28 am to
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This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 10:50 am
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44451 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:32 am to
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He squeezes a nickel until a booger pops out of Thomas Jefferson's nose.




Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
12177 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:34 am to
If they can’t shore the rubble and the cranes are going to come down anyway. At what point do they just do an implosion on the rest of the carcass?

Can they control fall the cranes to fall into the rest of the building?

At this point no one is going to sign off that any of the remaining parts of the building are salvageable and or structurally sound.

This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 9:36 am
Posted by Ben Hur
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2013
1006 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:37 am to
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They are going to sue and get a lot of money from lost business which looks like might go for a year now assuming they don't have to rebuild if it collapses on the Saenger.

quote:

Get a lot of money from whom, exactly?


For the property damage: The Saenger's own building insurance (who will sue the contractor/developer)

For loss of business: The Saenger should have Business Interruption Insurance to cover money lost in a disaster. They probably got the policy for hurricanes, but this will qualify as a disaster.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
179077 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:38 am to
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Do you know if there is a bond?



A bond is not a form of payment for liability situations. Bonds get confusing but i'm trying to think this through how you guys think a bond helps anything of substance regarding all of the liability situations going on here.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38177 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:40 am to
quote:

quote:
Mohan Kailas, a somewhat shady figure


I can't say what he did on this project, but 20 years ago I worked in management with a company that some construction related dealings with the Kailas Company. He squeezes a nickel until a booger pops out of Thomas Jefferson's nose.




The Kailas company/family committed fraud a few years ago on a Road Home contract. His oldest son went to prison for it. They were comically overbilling for work that wasn't done.

LINK
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 9:46 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41099 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:43 am to
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What they hell would Citadel being saying or doing in front of the public eye? What in the world would they have to offer?


It's their project. It's their mess, it's their mess to clean up.
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