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re: Over employed - learned this term on Reddit
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:38 pm to Harry Caray
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:38 pm to Harry Caray
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If both jobs are being done and being done well, how is it theft or wage fraud?
If you’re saying you’re working 40 hours at Job A and also saying the same at Job B (without actually working 80 hours), this could be:
Wage fraud
Timecard fraud
Unjust enrichment
Especially if you're billing hourly or working remotely, it’s easy to leave a digital trail (logins, emails, activity) that proves you weren't working as claimed.
If you clock out at your job at McDonalds, then go to your job at burger king, this is very different.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:39 pm to Gravitiger
quote:I'd imagine most companies worth their salt have this in policy though. I know mine does. Everyone doing this knows they're risking being fired by both jobs, but it's certainly not illegal.
or you have an exclusivity clause, there's none of this.
Again, I'm not talking about billable hours here. This topic feels exclusive to salaried workers.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:39 pm to dgnx6
They aren't saying that. They're on salary. They're paid to do a job, not work X hours per week.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:39 pm to Gravitiger
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They aren't saying that. They're on salary.
Then why did the guy get fired from his jobs?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:40 pm to dgnx6
quote:Probably poor performance, violated a clause in his contract, etc. Not "theft"
Then why did the guy get fired from his jobs?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:40 pm to Gravitiger
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They aren't saying that. They're on salary.
You're still lying to your employer unless these people are telling their employer that they only work 2 hours a day. It's 100% payroll fraud even if you're a salaried employee.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:41 pm to Harry Caray
quote:Most people don't have a written contract at all.
I'd imagine most companies worth their salt have this in policy though. I know mine does. Everyone doing this knows they're risking being fired by both jobs, but it's certainly not illegal.
Again, I'm not talking about billable hours here. This topic feels exclusive to salaried workers.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:41 pm to Artificial Ignorance
I stumbled upon a website a few years ago that helps people do this
I don't see the problem with it. Most white collar jobs are bullshite part time jobs anyway
I don't see the problem with it. Most white collar jobs are bullshite part time jobs anyway
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:41 pm to Gravitiger
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Probably poor performance, violated a clause in his contract, etc. Not "theft"
I have read that subreddit. You clearly haven't.
What these people are doing is wage theft and fraud. Fraud is just the intent. You intended to deceive your employers for gain.
Thats all that means.
quote:
Even outside of government or contracts, it can still be civil fraud or misrepresentation if:
You're getting paid for full-time exclusive work but splitting your time elsewhere.
You're using employer resources (laptop, data, time) for another job.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:42 pm to dgnx6
quote:
dgnx6
Do you have a job?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:42 pm to Artificial Ignorance
My favorite was the indian guy who worked IT at a major corp. Hired his wife who couldn't so much as type, and linked their workstations so he could do all of her work and his.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:43 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Do you have a job?
Nope, never had one before.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:44 pm to dgnx6
quote:
If you’re telling both companies you’re working 40 hrs/week (or “full-time”), but you're actually splitting your time, or doing less than expected, this can be:
Wage fraud
Theft of time/services
Unjust enrichment
Possibly wire fraud if emails/time tracking/etc. cross state lines
Especially common in remote jobs or “overemployed” situations where people hide second or third jobs while doing minimal work.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:45 pm to Powerman
It’s just crazy that there are so many people on here that are so defensive of white collar “work”
Like their life’s mission was to clip on a tie and drive a Kia Sedona 45 minutes to a cubicle farm every day so they could send emails and promote synergy for some faceless corporation that acts as a middleman and doesn’t even produce anything
Like bro go turn a wrench and do something useful with your life
Like their life’s mission was to clip on a tie and drive a Kia Sedona 45 minutes to a cubicle farm every day so they could send emails and promote synergy for some faceless corporation that acts as a middleman and doesn’t even produce anything
Like bro go turn a wrench and do something useful with your life
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:45 pm to Gravitiger
quote:I don't have a "contract" either, but we have an employee handbook with written company policy, like I'd imagine most companies the size of mine would have. My time being exclusive to them is certainly outlined in that handbook.
Most people don't have a written contract at all.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:45 pm to dgnx6
I actually wasn't being facetious 
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:46 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
Probably poor performance, violated a clause in his contract, etc. Not "theft"
Wage theft
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:46 pm to dgnx6
quote:
What these people are doing is wage theft and fraud. Fraud is just the intent. You intended to deceive your employers for gain.
Thats all that means.
What gets me is that these people think that salaried = do whatever I want. If your position is considered full time, 2 hours a days isn't what you agreed upon with your employer.
It's deceitful and at minimum wage theft, like you mentioned.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:47 pm to dgnx6
quote:ChatGPT or Grok?
If you’re telling both companies you’re working 40 hrs/week (or “full-time”), but you're actually splitting your time, or doing less than expected, this can be:
Wage fraud
Theft of time/services
Unjust enrichment
Possibly wire fraud if emails/time tracking/etc. cross state lines
Especially common in remote jobs or “overemployed” situations where people hide second or third jobs while doing minimal work.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:47 pm to Oates Mustache
They want to keep doubling down. Its pretty crazy.
quote:
If you signed HR paperwork or attested to exclusivity or full-time commitment — and it turns out you were moonlighting — that can be:
Civil fraud
Possibly criminal fraud in public sector or financial industry jobs
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