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re: Outrage alert: White woman hunts a giraffe in Africa, so you know what happens next

Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by Centinel
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:43 pm to
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Yeah and they’re completely failing at it


Link. To private organizations failing, not governments.

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So in the end they still fail since money still going to corrupt officials.



How do you even come to this conclusion logically?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:44 pm to
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*no one is going to read this


The folks hyperventilating about this haven't been reading the articles the whole time, why would they start now?
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:44 pm to
These one shows the overall negative effect it has in 6 different countries
LINK
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:44 pm to
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Outrage alert: White woman hunts a giraffe in Africa, so you know what happens next


She'll be stalked and harassed?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:44 pm to
1Bama thinks so much of the African countries that he thinks taking away the #1 economic incentive for them to preserve the animal populations is the best way to make them really care about the animals

truly sound logic
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:46 pm to
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Cowboy, I will say that the largest number of people I've been there with definitely had a "change of heart" after their first trip. It's not uncommon to hear hunters say......I just want to go back. Could care less if I actually hunt. If it's your thing, if hunting, tracking, camp life, camp fires, wildlife, seeing new cultures is your thing........it's hard to beat Africa.


It still started with a desire to travel to Africa to shoot something.

I'm not even going to bother asking how many of those people had hunting as their primary reason for going, because I have no way of vetting that.

All I will say is your original statement was to "go ahead and consider that the only reason anyone would travel to Africa was to pull the trigger." Unless you know every one that's ever gone to Africa, you can't in good faith make that claim. Then again, you did cover your bases by throwing "only" in there.

But following that up with anecdotal stories about how you and your friends didn't go there with a primary purpose of hunting is being disingenuous.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:52 pm to
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These one shows the overall negative effect it has in 6 different countries


you just link an anti trophy hunting organization that used references from CNN and the DailyMail

Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:54 pm to
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Certainly the trip doesn't cost as much if you're not actually hunting. Those animals all have a price on them, ranging from $200 - $200,000.


Gotcha.

Maybe I'll be more specific then. If you're paying that kind of money and your posting pictures of your trophy online, you're probably an egomaniac.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:55 pm to
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you just link an anti trophy hunting organization that used references from CNN and the DailyMail


I particularly liked the fact that every species analysis started with "Declining populations are mainly due to loss of habitat, but..."

But my favorite was the appeal to emotion mention of Cecil in the closing sentence.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:05 pm to
Ok I see you are just dismissing what goes against your views.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44412 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:07 pm to
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Ok I see you are just dismissing what goes against your views.



Oh the irony.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:10 pm to
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Centinel
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Oh the irony.

Definitely applies to you as well. And I’m not talking about just this thread.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:10 pm to
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Ok I see you are just dismissing what goes against your views.


Nah. I didn't just dismiss it. I read most of it.

It's argument was basically that trophy hunters are not doing as much as they say, and that is certainly believable.

But the way it casually dismisses poaching and habitat destruction as the main causes for the population declines, and ignores the positive impacts of trophy hunting on populations, poaching, and morale, tells me everything I need to know.

Did you read my link? The one actually using scientific studies and surveys for its references?

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44412 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:12 pm to
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Definitely applies to you as well.


Nah. Ditto to what Salmon said.

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And I’m not talking about just this thread.



Oh do tell. This should be fun.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Mulat
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:16 pm to
Awful
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:16 pm to
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This paper examines the effects of the safari hunting ban of 2014 on rural livelihoods and wildlife conservation in Northern Botswana using the social exchange theory. The paper used both primary and secondary data sources. Data were analysed qualitatively. Results indicate that the ban led to a reduction of tourism benefits to local communities such as: income, employment opportunities, social services such as funeral insurance, scholarships and income required to make provision of housing for the needy and elderly. After the hunting ban, communities were forced to shifts from hunting to photographic tourism. Reduced tourism benefits have led to the development of negative attitudes by rural residents towards wildlife conservation and the increase in incidents of poaching in Northern Botswana. The implications of hunting ban suggest that policy shifts that affect wildlife conservation and rural livelihoods need to be informed by socio-economic and ecological research. This participatory and scientific approach to decision-making has the potential to contribute sustainability of livelihoods and wildlife conservation in Botswana.



File this under the heading of "No shite".



Hunting and hunters have always been on the front line of conservation. While I could never see myself hunting a giraffe or lion, I don't fault those that do. Without those people hunting and supporting those local economies, the indigenous have no other incentives to care for the environment.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:23 pm to
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“The giraffe I hunted was the South African sub-species of giraffe. The numbers of this sub-species is actually increasing due, in part, to hunters and conservation efforts paid for in large part by big game hunting. The breed is not rare in any way other than it was very old. Giraffes get darker with age,” said Talley, in an email to Fox News. She points out that the giraffe she killed was 18, too old to breed, and had killed three younger bulls who were able to breed, causing the herd’s population to decrease. Now, with the older giraffe dead, the younger bulls are able to continue to breed and can increase the population. “This is called conservation through game management,” says Talley, who insists hers was not a “canned” hunt.

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“The giraffe in the photo is of the South African species Giraffa giraffe, which are not rare – they are increasing in the wild,” Julian Fennessy, Ph.D., co-founder of the Giraffe Conservation Foundation told Yahoo Lifestyle. “Legal hunting of giraffe is not a reason for their decline, despite the moral and ethical side of it which is a different story.”

This needs to keep being quoted for the ignorant soy boys on this site.
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5883 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:32 pm to
Cracks me up how liberally the word "hunt" gets thrown around. Riding a jeep out onto the African Savannah with a high powered rifle and blowing away a large, lumbering, grazing creature that pays you no mind isn't "hunting", it's just an act of douchery and an outlet for insecurities.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69723 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:35 pm to
I don’t get the exotic hunts

If the meat isn’t good, what’s the point?
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