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re: Outrage alert: White woman hunts a giraffe in Africa, so you know what happens next
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:26 pm to Salmon
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:26 pm to Salmon
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You keep bringing up local governments
As an example. I specifically said countries as well. Countries include governments and private groups.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:27 pm to geauxbrown
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Spoken just like someone who has never been hunting in S Africa. That 50K buys you a lot more than just the opportunity to pull the trigger. That is all inclusive, everything, flights, meals, lodging, sight seeing, safari. Plus the opportunity to hunt with and watch native hunter/trackers who were directly descended from the first hunters ever! It's a chance to experience the local villages and see how those people live, learn their customs and dine with them on their food. But go right ahead and consider the ONLY reason anyone would travel to S Africa would be to "pull the trigger."
This has to be sarcastic, right?
If not, you're kidding yourself if you don't think pulling the trigger is, by far, the main attraction.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:29 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Especially if doing the opposite benefits them right now.
Doing the opposite doesn't benefit the park or conservation group though.
So your whole corrupt government screed is pointless and irrelevant.
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LINK
That paper is referencing government programs.
Again, we're not talking about a government organization.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:31 pm to slackster
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This has to be sarcastic, right?
Unlike you, I've actually been there and pulled the trigger. I can honestly tell you that killing the animal was the least important part of that trip for me.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:32 pm to geauxbrown
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But go right ahead and consider the ONLY reason anyone would travel to S Africa would be to "pull the trigger."
He didn't say anyone. He said trophy hunters. Maybe that person would still have traveled to South Africa without the hunt, but the fact is, if someone pays $50k to go on a South African Safari, it's to pull the trigger on something. All of that other stuff is secondary.
Don't kid yourself.
ETA: and you can't apply your views to another person either. You don't know what her motivations were. And considering she called it a dream come true, I'd say you're wrong.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:32 pm to Centinel
ETA - Frick it, kill everything. 
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:33 pm to Dizz
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You are being dramatic.
Dizz, have you been there? I have.......... many times. Any big game animal over there will potentially kill you or someone in your party. Again, folks chiming in on shite they have no knowledge of other than what they've seen on TV.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:34 pm to slackster
Why the hell is this still going? Do we actually have some dipshits on here against this?
They are hunters, so yes, they arranged these trips because of the hunt. If you care about these animals so much, start spending money like these hunters to keep these villages from murdering off what they view as pests. However having lots of friends do these trips, they love the fact they get wined and dined on them. They are treated like royalty and it's as much a part of the experience as the actual hunt.
Right now, hunters are spending damn good money, to be wined and dined and then kill off the pests the villagers want nothing to do with on what could be their farm land. Instead they make a frick ton of cash to do nothing but keep some animals alive for other people to kill.
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If not, you're kidding yourself if you don't think pulling the trigger is, by far, the main attraction.
They are hunters, so yes, they arranged these trips because of the hunt. If you care about these animals so much, start spending money like these hunters to keep these villages from murdering off what they view as pests. However having lots of friends do these trips, they love the fact they get wined and dined on them. They are treated like royalty and it's as much a part of the experience as the actual hunt.
Right now, hunters are spending damn good money, to be wined and dined and then kill off the pests the villagers want nothing to do with on what could be their farm land. Instead they make a frick ton of cash to do nothing but keep some animals alive for other people to kill.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:34 pm to DarthRebel
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Letting an American come in to shoot it, just to say she has done it was flat out dumb.
No, letting a dumb American pay you $50k to do something you were going to do anyway is not dumb.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:34 pm to slackster
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This giraffe needed to be put down, so Talley paid thousands of dollars for the privilege to pull the trigger.
Win win if the country properly manages this.
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Is there really any doubt these people are egomaniacs?
I really don't know if that is true. I have a friend who owns a couple of successful businesses who does this sort of thing. He has gone on a Rhino hunt though one of the the large African refuges. Paid For the privilege to be the person to cull an older declining animal. While he is somewhat of a type A personality, he is not really an egomaniac. I do suspect many are, though.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:34 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Don't kid yourself.
Pulling the trigger was secondary for me. So much so that subsequent trips I didn't even hunt. I paid to go be a part of the hunt, take photographs and be in camp.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:34 pm to geauxbrown
Have you been over there? How many giraffes have killed big game hunters?
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:35 pm to Dizz
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Outrage alert: White woman hunts a giraffe in Africa, so you know what happens next
Have you been over there?
Many times.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:36 pm to geauxbrown
Great. That's you. You spoke as if that is true of everyone.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:37 pm to DarthRebel
LINK
Here is a really well sourced article about the negative effects of the hunting ban in Botswana in 2014
*no one is going to read this
Here is a really well sourced article about the negative effects of the hunting ban in Botswana in 2014
*no one is going to read this
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:37 pm to geauxbrown
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Pulling the trigger was secondary for me. So much so that subsequent trips I didn't even hunt. I paid to go be a part of the hunt, take photographs and be in camp.
Do you get a discount if you're not the one who takes the shot?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:38 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Great. That's you. You spoke as if that is true of everyone.
Cowboy, I will say that the largest number of people I've been there with definitely had a "change of heart" after their first trip. It's not uncommon to hear hunters say......I just want to go back. Could care less if I actually hunt. If it's your thing, if hunting, tracking, camp life, camp fires, wildlife, seeing new cultures is your thing........it's hard to beat Africa.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:39 pm to Salmon
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Ranchers are not able to control populations but only on their ranches.
Yeah and they’re completely failing at it
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I'm talking about private ranches where these hunts take place, not the taxes and fees that the ranches have to pay the governments, which like you say, are probably corrupt.
So in the end they still fail since money still going to corrupt officials.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:39 pm to slackster
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Do you get a discount if you're not the one who takes the shot?
Certainly the trip doesn't cost as much if you're not actually hunting. Those animals all have a price on them, ranging from $200 - $200,000.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:40 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Yeah and they’re completely failing at it
read the article I just linked
if you still feel the same way after reading that, then you will never understand
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