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re: Outrage alert: White woman hunts a giraffe in Africa, so you know what happens next
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:10 pm to DarthRebel
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:10 pm to DarthRebel
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Humans are on path to endanger yet another species. Yea, let's celebrate he conservation lie.
The funny thing, personally I am a super-pro hunter. Optics are everything and dumb arse shite like this needs to end.
Make no mistake, this kill did more to hurt hunting rights than help mythical conservation.
You can be pro-hunter and not condone dumb arse shite like this.
nothing but a giant emotional appeal
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:10 pm to OweO
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I don't know.
I don't know where it's going, but I know it's not going to where the conservation group said it's going.
Because reasons.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Ok let’s see these countries are extremely corrupt and incompetent so take a guess.
They don’t know how to properly manage the programs and probably line their own pockets.
most of these hunts are on private ranches
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to DarthRebel
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Yea, let's celebrate he conservation lie.
Hey Dick, you may need to go check that "conservation lie". You can check it out at Ducks Unlimited or The National Wild Turkey Federation. Both species that were on the brink of extinction here in N America, both brought back by hunters who formed organizations, raised money and worked hand in hand with State and Federal Wildlife Agencies to bring them back to hunt able populations.
You people kill me with how little you actually know about the subject.
Do you even Pittman Robertson?
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:12 pm to Salmon
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most of these hunts are on private ranches
Don't stop him now, he's on an emotional roll
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:14 pm to slackster
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What is in the article that changes the fact these trophy hunters pay $50k for the opportunity to pull the trigger and stroke their ego?
Do you think she's paying that money and letting a guide pull the trigger? It would still be just as helpful to the conservation efforts and local stomachs.
I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to the person that said she deserves all she is getting.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:15 pm to OweO
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First, she didn't really "hunt" the giraffe. She was probably brought to a location where there were giraffes, she aimed and then shot
Actually, you don't do that with giraffe. First off, you HAVE to shoot the right one. In this case, it was the oldest that had been causing trouble, killed younger giraffes and was reaching the end of its life. Secondly, if you make a bad shot on a giraffe, one that is prone to attacks, you put your life, the life of your PH and the lives of the native trackers at risk.
Girafes aren't always those slow moving, gentle creatures you see at the zoo.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:17 pm to Salmon
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So you think it is not in the best interest for the landowners to sustain their herds?
It’s in their best interests but the herds continue to experience drastic decreases. Yes there are other factors involved but that can also further point to them being completely incompetent at their supposed goal.
Also for example. It’s also in the best interest of a country for its government officials to not be so corrupt but they do it anyway. This is likely no different in many of these areas.
A House committee back in 2016 found little evidence of these fees actually contributing to conservation efforts or local areas.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:17 pm to lsupride87
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I just think these big game hunters have a weird character flaw. No biggie
it's extremely weird. And like many in this thread, I am a hunter as well. I will never understand how or why someone wants to hunt big game.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:19 pm to DarthRebel
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Humans are on path to endanger yet another species. Yea, let's celebrate he conservation lie.
The funny thing, personally I am a super-pro hunter. Optics are everything and dumb arse shite like this needs to end.
Make no mistake, this kill did more to hurt hunting rights than help mythical conservation.
You can be pro-hunter and not condone dumb arse shite like this.
However I forget where we are, go on OT-L with your bad self.
This only helps the anti-hunting crowd that is too stupid to understand or unwilling to understand. I wouldn't worry about those idiots.
You don't have to support it but she did nothing wrong besides ruffling a few moron Hollywood feathers.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:19 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Also for example. It’s also in the best interest of a country for its government officials to not be so corrupt but they do it anyway. This is likely no different in many of these areas.
What does the local government have to do with a herd on private land run by a private organization?
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A House committee back in 2016 found little evidence of these fees actually contributing to conservation efforts or local areas.
Link.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:19 pm to Salmon
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most of these hunts are on private ranches
Did I say they weren’t?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:21 pm to Coon
Giraffe was one of the tastiest things I ate during my time in Kenya/Tanzania. Absolutely delicious.
Of course it was an animal that had been taken by the state wildlife folks after it was mortally injured in a fight with another male giraffe. (google Giraffe fights on YouTube and she'll see how it can happen)
Not to mention it was prepared by the chefs at the Carnivore restaurant just outside Nairobi.
Of course it was an animal that had been taken by the state wildlife folks after it was mortally injured in a fight with another male giraffe. (google Giraffe fights on YouTube and she'll see how it can happen)
Not to mention it was prepared by the chefs at the Carnivore restaurant just outside Nairobi.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:22 pm to 1BamaRTR
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It’s in their best interests but the herds continue to experience drastic decreases. Yes there are other factors involved but that can also further point to them being completely incompetent at their supposed goal.
What a dumb argument.
Ranchers are not able to control populations but only on their ranches.
And even then, yeah, it is a losing battle to poaches because they don't have to abide by laws.
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Also for example. It’s also in the best interest of a country for its government officials to not be so corrupt but they do it anyway. This is likely no different in many of these areas.
What an awful comparison.
A corrupt government official is corrupt because they are doing things for their best interest, not the countries.
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A House committee back in 2016 found little evidence of these fees actually contributing to conservation efforts or local areas.
Again.
I'm talking about private ranches where these hunts take place, not the taxes and fees that the ranches have to pay the governments, which like you say, are probably corrupt.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:23 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Did I say they weren’t?
You keep bringing up local governments
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:24 pm to geauxbrown
You are being dramatic. They drove her to the Giraff got out of the Jeep and shot it. If the thing ran they would have gotten back in driven away or the the guides would have blasted it. The idea that this was dangerous is laughable.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:25 pm to Centinel
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What does the local government have to do with a herd on private land run by a private organization?
I was using it as example. Just because something is in someone’s best interest doesn’t mean they’re going to do it. Especially if doing the opposite benifits them right now.
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Link.
LINK
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:25 pm to Dizz
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The idea that this was dangerous is laughable.
Go ask the three giraffes it killed.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:25 pm to Scruffy
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Who cares about altruism? Has anyone made that argument? Let’s not move the goalposts. What we know is that an action that you and others find distasteful has a positive effect on the environment and economy of a 3rd world country.
I'm not sure what argument we're having. I think these African trophy hunters are generally douchebags. That's the extent of it for me.
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