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re: OT Student Loan Non-Democratic Thread

Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:16 pm to
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:16 pm to
First thing we need to do is fix our fricked up public educational system, then we can focus on college so we don't have graduates paying off massive debt before they get a job
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:17 pm to
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When was the decision to go to college changed from being a privilege, to being a right?
It started charging in definition to a "right" when people started demanding that you have a college degree to work at Starbucks.

Stop requiring a college degree for every job and this will all end.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:18 pm to
It's probably because it has become more of an expectation to go to college. It's sort of how high school is provided to everyone free of charge if you want to go the public route. Undergrad is the new high school.

Then again I think it's a real possibility that it shouldn't be this way, and trades shouldn't be as stigmatized. But what the hell do I know.

Eta: it's kind of a shitty system that a lot people are required to possibly go into pretty big difficult debt just to compete at a baseline level. I don't have any answers really, but I think something is wrong with the system.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:20 pm to
This country wastes an exorbitant amount of money on education with nothing to show for it. Meanwhile our dangerously under funded prison system is almost nearly close to being surpassed by China as the world's largest. Are we really going to let that happen?
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7974 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:22 pm to
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It's probably because it has become more of an expectation to go to college. It's sort of how high school is provided to everyone free of charge if you want to go the public route. Undergrad is the new high school


I agree, and that's unfinished. Students also forgot about the real world expectation of paying the banks back. Nothing in life is free, and students were never pushed to understand that concept.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60152 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:23 pm to
Let's get off of moms

I just got off yours
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7974 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:25 pm to
Shouldn't you be making my lunch for minimum wage somewhere?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60152 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:26 pm to
Chic fil a pays like $2/hour above minimum wage bitch
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7974 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:28 pm to
Chic fil a?.....you racist tpos
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:35 pm to
What code word is democrat?
Posted by white_mj
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
460 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:37 pm to
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Republicans on this site gladly took that TOPs handout without qualms.


This is the most ignorant statement ive read on here. Gladly took a "Handout" one they probably worked hard for in highschool? well most students......having it at a 2.5 GPA is a handout....but the ones getting a full ride from tops, the 3.7-4.0 crowd worked hard. STFU GTFO.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6980 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:45 pm to
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It is really sad that you can't go to a two year school and learn some basic coding, SQL and other advanced computer skills.


I have a bachelors in communications. After spending 4 years in retail after college, I realized that I had chosen a bad path, and went to a community college and got an AS in computer programming (all classes at night and online while working full time). I'm now on what I consider to be a lucrative career path in a growing industry. I took out loans for the AS, and it only cost $8,000 total. I am still a little behind the curve in skills compared to my peers who studied computer science from the start, but that just means I have to continue to work hard and learn new things.

Bottom line, what you said is possible.

ETA: I know my loans aren't close to what some people owe, but I would never expect for them to just be wiped out. Like others have said, it was a risk I took to better myself, but I'm thankful that I live in a country that gives me the opportunity to take on that risk. I'll gladly pay what I owe.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33903 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:46 pm to
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Yeah but isn't it the government's responsibility to adequately educate it's people? Otherwise we end up with a nation of fricktards, right?

Free economy principles state that if a nation needs educated individuals, then there will be financial incentive for individuals to become educated, and many will become educated for that incentive
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:50 pm to
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Free economy principles state


I don't think that's the word you were looking for.

But also, there are things that are beneficial to society but not to the individual so that a free market can't be depended upon to provide it. There's no financial incentive to have a library but there is still a benefit to society, see?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
60152 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:52 pm to
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Free economy principles state


Uhh

Louisiana is the "bayou state"
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 2:19 pm to
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This is the most ignorant statement ive read on here. Gladly took a "Handout" one they probably worked hard for in highschool? well most students......having it at a 2.5 GPA is a handout....but the ones getting a full ride from tops, the 3.7-4.0 crowd worked hard. STFU GTFO.


It is a handout. And TOPS does not provide a "full ride" even with the Honors Award. 3.0 GPA in high school to get Honors is not "working hard".

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41866 posts
Posted on 2/19/16 at 2:34 pm to
Union busting also contributed to the loss of decent blue collar jobs.

Really? You honestly believe that? The states of the Rust Belt that hemorrhaged jobs and population are heavily unionized states. How about, "Unions, in a fatal case of short-sightedness, overpriced their labor to the point it killed entire industries (Big Steel, autoworkers in Detroit)."?
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