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OT HVAC experts: Cracked condenser pan
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:16 am
guy said it condenser coil and pan would need replacing. In the meantime he sprayed it with pan sealant and said it might work for a while. Is it likely to be a semi permanent fix, or is replacing the thing inevitable?
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:17 am to Jim Rockford
If it is just the pan, remove it and have it headlined at an auto shop.
If that's too difficult, JB weld water weld will seal almost anything.... While burning your fingerprints off.
If that's too difficult, JB weld water weld will seal almost anything.... While burning your fingerprints off.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:19 am to Jim Rockford
Pan under condenser? Never seen this. Evaporator you mean?
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:20 am to Jim Rockford
ask your boyfriend or husband to fix it
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:20 am to bigfatpimp
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Pan under condenser
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:21 am to Jim Rockford
No BS, but if the pan is rusted just replace it. That's not a big ticket item. The coil, pumpdown/recharge and labor is your big ticket. A pan is just a pan.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:22 am to bigfatpimp
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Pan under condenser? Never seen this. Evaporator you mean?
That's what he meant. V coil over pan.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:23 am to Jim Rockford
Just had the pan replaced on my 5 ton Len ox. Under warranty a little under $300 labor. Because it’s a two person job apparently
Posted on 5/21/18 at 12:16 pm to Jim Rockford
1) If he's advocating changing the coil because the pan has a boo-boo, you tell that guy to leave your property IMMEDIATELY and if he squawks, you tell him you're going to get your shotgun and it's his choice whether or not he's there when you return. IMMEDIATELY.
2) Go to a smaller sheet metal shop. A big one likely won't take the job. Tell the guy you have a leaking drip pan and you need a new one. He will build you a drip pan and crawl up into the attic to install it. It will cost you several hundred dollars because you don't know how to do it and you don't want to be in a 150 degree attic to install it.
3) Don't brush this aside. That leaking drip pan can seriously frick up your house and cause rot over time.
4) If there is something actually wrong with the coil in addition to the leaky pan, none of this applies, and you're going to be opening your checkbook. There's not much you can do outside of the factory to RELIABLY fix a problem coil. You can try to fix it and it's PROBABLY going to be cheaper than a new coil/air handler, but it's still going to be expensive and there are no guarantees that the fix won't fail and you still will have to replace it. Many times, you'll fix one leak only to have another open up due to how the first fix subtly changed the coil. Coils that have problems are just a bitch.
2) Go to a smaller sheet metal shop. A big one likely won't take the job. Tell the guy you have a leaking drip pan and you need a new one. He will build you a drip pan and crawl up into the attic to install it. It will cost you several hundred dollars because you don't know how to do it and you don't want to be in a 150 degree attic to install it.
3) Don't brush this aside. That leaking drip pan can seriously frick up your house and cause rot over time.
4) If there is something actually wrong with the coil in addition to the leaky pan, none of this applies, and you're going to be opening your checkbook. There's not much you can do outside of the factory to RELIABLY fix a problem coil. You can try to fix it and it's PROBABLY going to be cheaper than a new coil/air handler, but it's still going to be expensive and there are no guarantees that the fix won't fail and you still will have to replace it. Many times, you'll fix one leak only to have another open up due to how the first fix subtly changed the coil. Coils that have problems are just a bitch.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/21/18 at 12:20 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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1) If he's advocating changing the coil because the pan has a boo-boo, you tell that guy to leave your property IMMEDIATELY and if he squawks, you tell him you're going to get your shotgun and it's his choice whether or not he's there when you return. IMMEDIATELY.
I wasn't there, I'm hearing this secondhand, so IDK what exactly transpired, and what else might be going on with the AC unit, but he sprayed the sealant and didn't even charge for a service call, so I'm inclined to trust his integrity for now. He said he "didn't recommend" replacing one without the other. I guess we'll see if it holds.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 12:30 pm to Jim Rockford
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He said he "didn't recommend" replacing one without the other. I guess we'll see if it holds.
That's a strange thing to say. You don't replace an evaporator unless there's a reason. Which is a more expensive part.
However, it depends on your personal case. If your evaporator is on it's last leg, it wouldn't make sense to pay $200~$300 to change the pan this year and need a replacement evaporator next year. Call and talk to the guy and get a first-hand report. Might be time for a new AC.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 12:42 pm to Jim Rockford
if the pan is old enough to rust and the condenser is the same age, I can assure you, the condenser is going to start leaking pretty soon or is already leaking.
The flex seal might do for a short term fix, but you should definitely be working toward a longer term fix. A lot of this should depend on the location at your home.
The flex seal might do for a short term fix, but you should definitely be working toward a longer term fix. A lot of this should depend on the location at your home.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 12:57 pm to airfernando
My guy put sheet metal tape over it as a temporary fix. He was supposed to come back and make a new one not long after. Well we both forgot until a few months later when I noticed a few round circles on the ceiling sheetrock. To his credit, he came late that night and looked at it and said he'd be back in the morning to fix it and he was. It took 3-4 hours with 2 people but they swapped the cracked one with a new one they made and it works like a charm.
Never use pieces of sheetrock stacked together as support under the evaporator coil pan. Once it got a small leak, the sheetrock, pan, and water reacted together and rusted out the pan.
Never use pieces of sheetrock stacked together as support under the evaporator coil pan. Once it got a small leak, the sheetrock, pan, and water reacted together and rusted out the pan.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/21/18 at 1:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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I wasn't there, I'm hearing this secondhand, so IDK what exactly transpired, and what else might be going on with the AC unit, but he sprayed the sealant and didn't even charge for a service call, so I'm inclined to trust his integrity for now. He said he "didn't recommend" replacing one without the other. I guess we'll see if it holds.
he was giving you good advice and sounds very trustworthy since he didnt even charge you.
here is the straight up facts:
in a perfect world a pan is cheaper then replacing the coil, but..........
the coil still has to be removed so the system must be pumped down and evacuated so the cost of replacing the coil vs replacing the pan is almost the same when you factor in the extra labor time involved in removing the old pan and replacing the new pan and thats if the screws arent so rusty its near impossible to fasten it with the original mounting locations.
a new A-coil evaporator will cost on average $300-$350 and a new drain pan will run you $50-$100 on average, plus another $100 to clean it and maybe 1 extra hour labor to do the drain pan swap. so do the math and its just not worth fixing when everything is considered plus the new coil will have a plastic drain pan that can never rust. plus the new coil comes with warranty, replacing the pan doesnt, and of the 8-10 units i replaced drain pans on the coils about half developed freon leaks soon after from all the jostling and handling involved in removing it, replacing the pan, then reinstalling it.
i working 45 years doing a/c & htg repairs, the smart thing to do is spend the extra $200-$250 to fix it permanently and not have any more problems
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 1:19 pm
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