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OT History Buffs Assemble! Lets discuss the early Confederate Ironclads
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:53 am
I have been reading a lot on these lately. The Confederates really f**ked this up. They tried to build the CSS Arkansas and the first CSS Tennessee in Memphis even though they didn’t have the infrastructure there to build them (the CSS Arkansas’s engines were built in NOLA). The CSS Mississippi and CSS Louisiana were built in NOLA but they were too large. The CSS Louisiana was only equipped with 6 of its 10 guns and it’s second paddle wheel was a hinderance more than it helped. Plus the south didn’t have enough ship wrights in NOLA to build them properly. The union had City class gunboat designs on display in St Louis and confederate agents sent reports back south. Even with all of the f**k ups the CSS Louisiana was almost operational by the time the Union fleet passed Fort Jackson and Fort St Phillip (workmen were finishing connecting the engines to the steering propellers as the Yankees were passing the forts and it was certified as ready for battle a few hours after the battle) and the CSS Arkansas was only delayed 3 months by it having to be evacuated to Yazoo City after Battle of Memphis. Do yall think if the south had shrunk the size of the CSS Louisiana from 10 guns to 6 guns like the Arkansas and if they had moved the ship wrights building the Arkansas and Tennessee to NOLA they could have finished at least 2 ironclads before Farragaut ran past the forts? Also do yall think that have 2 major ironclads and the CSS Manasses would have stopped Farragaut from capturing NOLA? Napoleon III was preparing to recognize the CSA without British support prior to the fall of NOLA and Memphis.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:54 am to WeeWee
Not enough songs and tales about ironclads.
Really fascinating evolution in naval warfare that completely changed the game but soon became obsolete.
The infancy of the modern warship.
Just found this
History of the Ironclads
See y'all in an hour
Really fascinating evolution in naval warfare that completely changed the game but soon became obsolete.
The infancy of the modern warship.
Just found this
History of the Ironclads
See y'all in an hour
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:55 am to WeeWee
Oh great another traitor thread
Trump has y’all really riled up. Luckily he’s going to prison soon
Trump has y’all really riled up. Luckily he’s going to prison soon
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:59 am to el Gaucho
Eat shite and die fricker.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:01 am to fr33manator
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Not enough songs and tales about ironclads.
You should read Confederate Ironclads at War by R Thomas Campbell and The CSS Arkansas by Myron J. Smith Jr
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:07 am to el Gaucho
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Oh great another traitor thread
Eat shite and die, C#n+
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:15 am to DesScorp
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Oh great another traitor thread Eat shite and die, C#n+
Ignore the troll and stick to the topic people.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:24 am to el Gaucho
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Oh great another traitor thread
I get your schtick but it is funny that those "traitors" were fighting the same club of tyrants that rule over us today
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:27 am to GoAwayImBaitn
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I get your schtick but it is funny that those "traitors" were fighting the same club of tyrants that rule over us today
Found the Hamas supporter
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:34 am to el Gaucho
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Found the Hamas supporter
Hamas is in DC?
ETA Oh, and no....the Confederates did not fight the Juice
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:38 pm to WeeWee
Fun Fact: The wreck of the Arkansas is in the Mississippi River on the west bank across the river from Southern. Doubt there is much left of the ship though.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:51 pm to WeeWee
For reference, a walk through the USS Cairo at the Military Park in Vicksburg should be required.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:49 pm to real turf fan
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For reference, a walk through the USS Cairo at the Military Park in Vicksburg should be required.
It’s currently closed for renovations.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:42 pm to WeeWee
I have family whose firm outfitted the CSS Manassas (Enoch Train), and others, and have wanted to brush up on the topic. Haven't read the books, but it looks like there are a few journal articles (maybe free view, maybe not) on the approaches and strategy for the defense of NOLA, but you may have browsed them. I've also wondered how much they thought the Pioneer and Bayou St. John subs were actually going to do.
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:58 pm to WeeWee
CSS Stonewall, built in France for the Confederacy but not completed in time. Turned over to the United States, who sold it to Japan.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:58 pm to real turf fan
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For reference, a walk through the USS Cairo at the Military Park in Vicksburg should be required.
Was actually thinking about taking a day trip up to Vicksburg soon to check out the civil war sites
Posted on 4/2/24 at 6:00 pm to WeeWee
Randomn off the wall question : would a50 cal modern bullet penetrate an ironclad?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 6:03 pm to jeffsdad
Typically the armor was up to eight inches thick, backed by a a foot or more of timber, so probably not.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 6:05 pm to WeeWee
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Also why didn’t the CSA use the Virgina to draw the Monitor out to battle again and have one of their wooden ships ram it?
Thank you for the accuracy of that reference. I am so damned sick and tired of hearing it referred to as the Merrimac by those whose entirety of education in American history came from a ninth-grade textbook full of little more than blurbs that were rarely more than two paragraphs.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 6:07 pm
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