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OT History Buffs: would you rather hypothetical
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:34 am
watching “Story of Us” again last night and while watching it, you get the idea of how terrible the conditions were for American Patriots in the Revolutionary War. They then moved on to the Great Migration. For those of you that don’t know, this is the migration to the west to the Pacific.
With that said, who do you think had it worse? Settlers on the trail to the west through the Rocky Mountain range and Lewis and Clark or soldiers going through war?
I understand bullets flying at your face but what about the conditions these people had to deal with into lands unknown. Not sure if you’re going to make it the next day or dying of terrible diseases never seen before and starvation (Donner Party)?
With that said, who do you think had it worse? Settlers on the trail to the west through the Rocky Mountain range and Lewis and Clark or soldiers going through war?
I understand bullets flying at your face but what about the conditions these people had to deal with into lands unknown. Not sure if you’re going to make it the next day or dying of terrible diseases never seen before and starvation (Donner Party)?
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:35 am to Prominentwon
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soldiers going through war
IMO by a factor of 10
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:36 am to Prominentwon
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With that said, who do you think had it worse? Settlers on the trail to the west through the Rocky Mountain range and Lewis and Clark or soldiers going through war?
Bro, you ever tried to ford a river without all your oxen and one of your kids dying?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:37 am to Prominentwon
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Not sure if you’re going to make it the next day or dying of terrible diseases never seen before and starvation (Donner Party)?
pretty sure the soldiers fighting in the Revolutionary War had to deal with these as well
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:38 am to Prominentwon
I hate long road trips so put me down for fighting in the war.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:38 am to Salmon
Cannibalism?
I don’t know a ton about the Revolutionary War.
I don’t know a ton about the Revolutionary War.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:39 am to Prominentwon
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With that said, who do you think had it worse? Settlers on the trail to the west through the Rocky Mountain range and Lewis and Clark or soldiers going through war?
I think a more relatable comparison would be who had it worse? Immigrants living in urban tenements or migrants heading west...
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:59 am to terd ferguson
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I hate long road trips so put me down for fighting in the war.
What do you think fighting a war in the 18th century consisted of? Hanging out in one spot?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:23 am to upgrayedd
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I hate long road trips so put me down for fighting in the war.
What do you think fighting a war in the 18th century consisted of? Hanging out in one spot?
And for most soldiers, that meant hoofing it on foot with really crappy shoes. On occasion, just cloth wrapped feet.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:31 am to upgrayedd
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What do you think fighting a war in the 18th century consisted of? Hanging out in one spot?
OK, smartass. I had to pick one of the two choices.
Marching 20 miles to the next battle site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching 2000 miles to the west coast
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:34 am to terd ferguson
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Marching 20 miles to the next battle site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching 2000 miles to the west coast
I would imagine marching 2000 total miles in a campaign wasn't too far fetched
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:36 am to Prominentwon
both would suck equally bad, but I would have to go with Revolutionary Soldiers having it worse, but trailblazers to the west did not have it easy, the threat of death (Natives, starvation, disease etc..) they knew death was ever present, but soldiers are looking death in the face across the battlefield with nowhere to hide with the way the wars were fought.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:42 am to upgrayedd
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I would imagine marching 2000 total miles in a campaign wasn't too far fetched
Yeah but you get to stop for longer periods of time while you kill Brits... plus you don't have to worry about Indians cutting off your scalp.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:45 am to terd ferguson
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plus you don't have to worry about Indians cutting off your scalp.
The Brits has the Indians on their side so that’s not completely out of the question.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:46 am to Prominentwon
Biggest difference is that for the soldier, it was an individual experience. For the westward migration, it was more often than not a family experience. I know that women and children had roles in the Revolutionary War, but rarely were they combat roles. On the overland trails, the women and children shared the same experiences as the men.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 4:24 pm to Prominentwon
If aren't limiting westward expansion to the Rockies, then this wins easily.
Dodging Comanches' efforts to torture me, cut my balls off and stuff them in my mouth, only to enter a land devoid of landmarks with barely any water...
I'll take the Revolutionary War over the Texas frontier, for sure.
Dodging Comanches' efforts to torture me, cut my balls off and stuff them in my mouth, only to enter a land devoid of landmarks with barely any water...
I'll take the Revolutionary War over the Texas frontier, for sure.
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