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re: OT Historians - Where Was Japan Getting Their Oil from During WWII?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:30 pm to AlwysATgr
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:30 pm to AlwysATgr
They successfully transitioned to solar by war’s end. It’s where the moniker “Land of the Rising Sun” came from.
Big O&G have successfully removed all references from history books.
Big O&G have successfully removed all references from history books.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:36 pm to Dire Wolf
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oil baws don’t get enough credit for aiding the war effort. Pretty much all of the Allies oil and refined products came from the US.
The Citgo refinery (City Service) in Sulphur was specifically built to refine high octane fuel for airplanes during WW2.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:38 pm to Cheese Grits
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Churchill knew a coal navy was no match for an oil navy.
You have no idea how true that is. I've read a few books about the shift from coal and oil navies. A coal navy can steam for maybe a week at patrol speed, maybe a few days at battle speed. Then you stop the battle and EVERY man on the ship helps transload coal by the sack from coal supply ships.
Of course if you're mid-battle you try not to do that. You also have the risk of a coal supply ship being sunk.
Finally, in an effort to conserve coal, they would take 2 of 4 boilers offline. That once meant physically uncoupling the driveshaft. Of course that means stopping and spending an hour working when they wanted to couple or uncouple a driveshaft.
There are stories going around about the Spanish-American war and how one of ours didn't want to waste the hour to recouple when they had already sighted the Spanish fleet. They chased at half speed and somehow caught/fired upon the spanish and won the battle at half speed.
Man life was once very hard and we don't always recognize that.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 3:54 pm to AlwysATgr
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That's my understanding. The US oil spigot was turned off which ostensibly incited the Japs to attack Pearl Harbor.
What I'm asking is that after we turned their supply off where did they get oil then?
Conquereed territories. That was their main reason for taking the Dutch East Indies.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 6:01 pm to Theduckhunter
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Not only that, the fuel coming out of the US was higher octane than what the Axis had, which made a huge difference in performance when it came to aircraft.
The USA started supplying Great Britian with 100 Octane aviation gasoline in early 1940.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 6:31 pm to AlwysATgr
Indonesia is where Japan got oil.
The Oil City field in Mississippi provided much of the US oil. H.L.Hunt.
Look up the Big Inch and the Little Inch Pipelines. They carried refined products from Texas to the East coast due to the U Boat menance. TexasEastern started operating them after the war and they are still blowing up.
The Oil City field in Mississippi provided much of the US oil. H.L.Hunt.
Look up the Big Inch and the Little Inch Pipelines. They carried refined products from Texas to the East coast due to the U Boat menance. TexasEastern started operating them after the war and they are still blowing up.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:26 pm to tadman
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Man life was once very hard and we don't always recognize that.
True!
Imagine being a coal stoker on the Titanic!
furnaces burnt through over 600 tonnes of coal. 175 'firemen' shovelled the coal by hand and worked in shifts 24 hours a day.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:57 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:In addition to the other sources of oil already mentioned in this thread, Japan also received crude oil from the USSR all during the war.
OT Historians - Where Was Japan Getting Their Oil from During WWII?
Many Americans, maybe even MOST Americans, don't know that the Soviet Union and Japan signed a non-agression pact with each other in April, 1941, whereby each nation agreed to remain neutral towards each other in the event of war with other nations.
The agreement allowed the Soviet Union the ability to move millions of military men and thousands of pieces of military equipment from its far eastern defenses to the west to fight against the Germans.
It also allowed Japan to acquire crude oil and iron ore and steel products from the Soviet Union to use in its fight against the Chinese, British and the United States.
The pact stayed in force until April, 1945 when the Soviet Union gave the required 90-day notice to Japan that it would be withdrawing from the agreement.
The Soviet Union declared war on Japan on August 9, 1945, the same day the U.S.A. dropped its second atomic bomb on Japan on Nagasaki.
Six days later, on August 15, 1945 Japan announced its surrender to the Allies Pacific forces.
When I worked in Moscow in the late 1990's I learned the Russian version of how the war with Japan ended.
1) The U.S.A. dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan on August 6, 1945. The war continued.
2) The U.S.A. dropped the second atomic bomb on Nagasaki in the morning of August 9, 1945. No word from Japan that it was considering surrendering.
3) Later in the day on August 9, 1945, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan after six hours earlier attacking the Japanese forces stationed in Mongolia, Manchuria and Korea and quickly overran the depleted Japanese forces defending those areas.
4) Japan surrendered on August 15, 1945.
5) The declaration of war by the Soviet Union on Japan caused the Japanese to surrender, NOT the atomic bombs dropped on Japan by the U.S.A.
6) The Soviet Union gets credit for ending the war in the Pacific theater in World War II, and it only took six days to happen.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:06 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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SoFla Tideroller
The 8th Air Force gets tons of praise (and rightfully so) for their efforts over Germany and the sustained losses.
The US submarine loss eclipsed them. 1% of the US Navy were submariners and they sank over 80% of the Japanese tonnage at a loss rate of over 40%.
As a former submariner myself, I can’t even imagine this.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:07 pm to TheGasMan
75% of German submariners were lost at sea
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:09 pm to FightinTigersDammit
A lot of lost semen was found found on your chin
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:10 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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75% of German submariners were lost at sea
Yep, and Karl Doenitz might be one of the best admirals of all time. At his funeral in the 80s, several US and Royal Navy admirals were there. His memoirs he wrote while in Spandau prison “10 years and 20 days” is an absolute must read for any legit WWII historian.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:13 pm to LSURussian
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In addition to the other sources of oil already mentioned in this thread, Japan also received crude oil from the USSR all during the war.
I don’t know who, but someone has fed you a load of horse shite.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:14 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The US I believe. The embargo on selling them oil is what forced them to attack and declare war on us
No. The Japanese began planning the attack on Pearl Harbor in early 1941, before the 1941 oil embargo was put in place.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:15 pm to Darth_Vader
That guy also thought Kiev was going to fall in 2 weeks last year.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:36 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:How so? I'm referring to the USSR granting Japan mining rights on Sakhalin Island all during the war. It wasn't a great deal of oil but it still was oil that Japan very much needed.
In addition to the other sources of oil already mentioned in this thread, Japan also received crude oil from the USSR all during the war.
I don’t know who, but someone has fed you a load of horse shite.
quote:Where did Japan get their oil during WWII?
Japan also had a concession from the USSR to mine on Sakhalin Island which continued to be honored, though the amount of oil was very small.
But I guess you know more about it than I do. So, thanks for the correction...
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:39 pm to TheGasMan
quote:Who, me? Care to give a link supporting your contention? I don't remember making any predictions about the Russia/Ukraine war when it started. I'm pretty sure you made that up or you have me confused with someone else.
That guy also thought Kiev was going to fall in 2 weeks last year.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 8:42 pm to LSURussian
Hey so we’re provisioning for my boat to take a trip from Charleston to Portugal. 2.5k of diesel, full stores load of food. The Captain thanks you for your sip of water at the dock on this trip (Russia). That’s essentially Russia’s load to Japan.
1/100,000th of Japan necessary oil was provided by the Reds. Sure that allows them to have their name on the table, but it’s comical to say they were a supplier and you know this.
ETA: Nice reddit link btw. Not only did you copy word for word what that post said, but the buried link within reddit takes one to a broken Russian state oil and gas link
1/100,000th of Japan necessary oil was provided by the Reds. Sure that allows them to have their name on the table, but it’s comical to say they were a supplier and you know this.
ETA: Nice reddit link btw. Not only did you copy word for word what that post said, but the buried link within reddit takes one to a broken Russian state oil and gas link
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:53 pm
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