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re: OT Health & Fitness Crew
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:43 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:43 pm to LuckyTiger
Cardiologist is a moron.
Get rid of the dark brown roll and all starches
His salads need to be kale, spinach, his veggies overall need to go up. His only carbs should come from veggies. No grains
He can have some butter.
We lived like this for thousands of years until the past two hundred or so
He also needs cardiac rehab obviously
Get rid of the dark brown roll and all starches
His salads need to be kale, spinach, his veggies overall need to go up. His only carbs should come from veggies. No grains
He can have some butter.
We lived like this for thousands of years until the past two hundred or so
He also needs cardiac rehab obviously
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:44 pm to LuckyTiger
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Ah, now I understand you. You are on a soapbox.
Not at all. Merely trying to help you open your eyes about this and not be a part of the "blind leading the blind" and head in the sand mentality have so often when it comes to this. Educate yourself. Do you believe everything a politician says? Of course not. Why would you believe what a Doctor says blindly, especially when there is SOOOO much evidence out there busting the myth of high fat/high cholesterol diets leading to CHD?
Here's another crazy line for you that your cardiologist wont agree with -
Increase in dietary cholesterol does not directly affect your blood cholesterol. That's right. Eat bacon, eggs and butter every day and reap the rewards of a happy heart and brain.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:45 pm to TM32
Egg whites
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:47 pm to dnm3305
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quote: They told him to use Pride as a sub
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They are literally killing him.
Well, idk about that but this is one area where you and I might find common ground.
When I saw and heard Pride (they serve it with his meals) I was surprised. I intend to check out the label when I go to the grocery today and follow up with questions about it on his next visit to the cardio.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:50 pm to LuckyTiger
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When I saw and heard Pride (they serve it with his meals) I was surprised. I intend to check out the label when I go to the grocery today and follow up with questions about it on his next visit to the cardio.
Sorry, I was being a condescending arse. Having a rough day. Good luck to your brother.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:55 pm to LuckyTiger
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Pride
frick that. Grass fed butter. Cook with lard (from grass fed bacon if you can get it)
LINK
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The influential Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee has recommended that limitations on dietary cholesterol be removed from the upcoming 2015 edition of Dietary Guidelines for Americans. Recommendations to reduce dietary cholesterol have been a mainstay of the USDA and other guidelines for many years, starting with guidelines from the American Heart Association in the 1960s.
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“It’s the right decision,” Steve Nissen told USA Today. “We got the dietary guidelines wrong. They’ve been wrong for decades.” Nissen also said that advice about reducing saturated fat and salt may be wrong, but no major change in these areas is expected in the new guidelines.
Steven Nissen, MD, is the Chairman of the Robert and Suzanne Tomsich Department of Cardiovascular Medicine at Cleveland Clinic’s Sydell and Arnold Miller Family Heart & Vascular Institute. He was appointed to this position in 2006 after serving nine years as Vice Chairman of the Department of Cardiology and five years as Medical Director of the Cleveland Clinic Cardiovascular Coordinating Center (C5), an organization that directs multicenter clinical trials.
This happened with little fanfare as big institutions normally do not like to admit they are wrong to the populace (see sig quote below)....
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:00 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Thanks for all the replies! Y'all have given me a lot of good advice and info to further look into and research. I really appreciate it!
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:06 pm to TM32
I'd recommend avoiding all corn products or by products and flour
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:12 pm to dnm3305
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Sorry, I was being a condescending arse. Having a rough day. Good luck to your brother
Cheers I was too. Most of us as well.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I'm really not. It's just that I spent the past week listening to heart doctors and reading the info packet and instructions that they give you and now I'm reading a person on the Internet that is telling me that they are wrong.
I'm not dismissing you but I have to be skeptical just because of the circumstances. I actually think we are in agreement on a lot of things, just a few key points where we have differing points of view due to our own experiences perhaps.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:13 pm to TM32
There are a lot of good articles out there, but in short, the whole low-fat movement was started by the sugar industry many years ago. Science is coming out that proves that fat is not the culprit and it's starting to point towards sugar.
Saturated fat also drives testosterone production, so it is helpful for men (in reasonable quantities of course).
Saturated fat also drives testosterone production, so it is helpful for men (in reasonable quantities of course).
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:35 pm to LuckyTiger
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High fat is the problem.
High fat is not the problem. The problem was the sugar he was eating along with the fat.
How old is his cardiologist? Probably not keeping up with the new studies that say fat and cholesterol are not the problem. Those myths have been pushed in medical schools since the 80's. Most doctors have only had a class or two of nutritional data and that is usually the food pyramid, which is known to be wrong.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:56 pm to TM32
Many of the primitive cultures that still exist today eat a diet that is a natural reflection of their environment.
Some still eat internal organs.
Some still eat internal organs.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:02 pm to SirSaintly
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How old is his cardiologist?
She's young. About 40. Duke graduate.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:15 pm to LuckyTiger
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She's young. About 40. Duke graduate.
Did he get a NMR Lipid Profile?
See if she would be OK with him getting an opinion from a lipidologist in his area
Reason:
LDL particle size also matters more than total cholesterol. Particle size is measured using an NMR study. Most cholesterol studies only measure total LDL which does not tell the complete story (see example below)
HDL and triglycerides are also very important in deciphering the story
Example:
I would be much more worried about the guy with a normal LDL on standard panel (who may have a predominance of small particles), and low HDL , high triglycerides
Vs
The guy with higher LDL of larger, fluffy size with high HDL and low triglycerides (this can be typical of healthy people on low carb, high fat diets. See last image, pink bars listed as Westman low CHO and note the slight rise in LDL, but improvement across the board in all other metabolic parameters)
Context is needed when looking at these markers. I worry for people who look at 1 item and focus on it. This can be a very short sighted approach. Make sure you have your eye on the correct ball(s)...
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:23 pm to TM32
I do keto, mainly because I have gi issues, and my body doesn't process carbs and sugar well. If I eat any sugar, I feel like my colon swells the next day. I get my levels checked every year, and no issues with chol.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:56 pm to TM32
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:59 pm to lsucoonass
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Cardiologist is a moron.
Get rid of the dark brown roll and all starches
His salads need to be kale, spinach, his veggies overall need to go up. His only carbs should come from veggies. No grains
He can have some butter.
We lived like this for thousands of years until the past two hundred or so
He also needs cardiac rehab obviously
I wouldn't say she's a moron but she's definitely not a nutritionist. She's just spouting off the crap she read in her old medical text.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:03 pm to torrey225
Yeah that was a bit harsh of me
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:23 pm to TM32
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OT Health & Fitness Crew
ROFL
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:39 pm to TM32
Lsu2005 is dead on. The problem is not only carbs, but specifically, high sugar diets. Recommending people go gradual on carbs is also spot on. I have one bro that does 50 or less carbs and no prob. I need at least 100 carbs not to feel like arse, but run best on 150-200. I think most people don't have the will power to diet or change their eating habits and going no carbs abruptly is setting up for failure.
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