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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by Adam4848
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:55 pm to
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Bro in law ate high fat diet all his life. Lots of eggs, mayo, ice cream, red meat, fried foods. He is in his 50s and had a heart attack this week.


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He is about 5'9" 200 lbs.


Classic case of eat "everything in sight" over "fats did this to him". High fat/high protein diet within maintenance calories is very beneficial for weight loss and easier for people to maintain.

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when you pair a high fat diet with a high carb diet


^^ what LSUfan2005 said
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted by The Torch
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:55 pm to
Just burn more than you eat each day, it's hard .

Get a Calorie Counter such as U/W's my fitness pal this is an app you enter your food/exercise in.

I've lost 30 lbs since last August walking (can't run due to disk issues), lifting weights and counting calories.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:55 pm to
I always thought the trans fats were the real demons and people came off the major criticisms of saturated fats.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:56 pm to
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a certain food tastes really good, or is processed, it's probably not good for you. Just avoid those


Sounds like a miserable existence to waste your prime calorie burning years eating like a fricking homeless vegan.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:05 pm to
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Classic case of eat "everything in sight" over "fats did this to him".

That's simply not true.

High fat is the problem.

I'm going to listen to the cardiologist instead, no offense.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:06 pm to
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I always thought the trans fats were the real demons and people came off the major criticisms of saturated fats

Both are bad.
Posted by Adam4848
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:07 pm to
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That's simply not true. High fat is the problem. I'm going to listen to the cardiologist instead, no offense.


That's exactly what I'm getting at

High fats + High carbs + eating excess calories = your brother in law

Of course that's bad for you!
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:09 pm to
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That's simply not true. High fat is the problem. I'm going to listen to the cardiologist instead, no offense.


You literally have no idea what youre talking about. If you don't know what youre talking about, quit giving out shitty advice. Your cardiologist and his cardiologist are biased and full of shite. Let me guess, they prescribed a statin for him right?

23 year study done with approx 348,000 test subjects.

BACKGROUND:

A reduction in dietary saturated fat has generally been thought to improve cardiovascular health.

OBJECTIVE:

The objective of this meta-analysis was to summarize the evidence related to the association of dietary saturated fat with risk of coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD; CHD inclusive of stroke) in prospective epidemiologic studies.

DESIGN:

Twenty-one studies identified by searching MEDLINE and EMBASE databases and secondary referencing qualified for inclusion in this study. A random-effects model was used to derive composite relative risk estimates for CHD, stroke, and CVD.

RESULTS:

During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.

CONCLUSIONS:

A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:19 pm to
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High fats + High carbs + eating excess calories = your brother in law


This, calorie dense diet, especially high in carbs (sugar) leads to inflammation, which leads to CHD. Cholesterol correlates often, but is not the cause.

Everyone should read "The Diet Heart Myth" by Chris Kresser.
Posted by Capital Cajun
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:24 pm to
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Just eat whole, clean, minimally processed foods. Plenty of meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, and whole fruit. It really isn't that hard. If you have to open a bag or a box to eat it, you probably shouldn't.


This is the answer.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:29 pm to
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High fats + High carbs + eating excess calories = your brother in law

One thing I found interesting...

They told him flat out that he should never eat butter again, or alternatively, eat very little of it.

They told him to use Pride as a sub, which I've never heard of but I think they said it was a vegetable oil spread.

His first real meal after heart surgery was roast turkey breast, carrots, dark brown roll, and a salad tossed in olive oil and balsamic vinegar. It actually looked good though he said nothing had any taste. Carrots were only steamed, no salt, seasoning, or butter of course.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:33 pm to
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They told him flat out that he should never eat butter again, or alternatively, eat very little of it.


Well butter is actually good for you so theyre wrong again.

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They told him to use Pride as a sub


They are literally killing him.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:33 pm to
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Your cardiologist and his cardiologist are biased and full of shite

Sorry man, but cardiologist>you.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:35 pm to
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Sorry man, but cardiologist>you.


These aren't my words or my data. Your cardiologist is biased and basing his knowledge on a faulty study and is seeking financial gain from pharmaceuticals. Research the lipid hypothesis and get back with me.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:36 pm to
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High fats + High carbs + eating excess calories = your brother in law Of course that's bad for you!

I agree with you.

High fat is not the only culprit here.

I'm just objecting to some who, for whatever flawed mindset, are trying to say that high fat is not a problem. It is.
Posted by lsucoonass
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:36 pm to
Your body needs some saturated fat.

Don't combine them with sugar.

MCT is a good saturated fat, so is the saturated fat in coconut oil
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:36 pm to
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LuckyTiger


LINK

LINK

Follow my posts in these thread. In them, I make the case for saturated fat/cholesterol (articles/books)

Highlights:







This is figure 9 from the article I linked earlier. I cannot understate the importance of understanding this (the article also stresses this).

Pink bars are low carb group.

Note the improvements in weight, glucose control (HbA1c), HDL and trigycerides (as pointed out on the chart)

Note the slight rise in LDL cholesterol in the low carb group. This is addressed in the Ron Krauss podcast. This reflects a high proportion of fluffy (large) LDL and not the small dense LDL variety (if measured / tested properly). A diet with excessive carbs (default for people on a low fat diet) = higher proportion of small dense LDL.

Small dense LDL = higher risk of athersclerosis

The problem is that a general, well intentioned PCP/MD will see a rise in LDL and recommend a low fat/low cholesterol diet (and round and round we go). LDL "improves" but all of the other metrics get worse. Look around at the results of this (our population). This is the sad, harsh truth...

A cautionary tale regarding hubris, cognitive dissonance, and group think.

Inform yourself. Make your own decisions.

Cardiologist/MDs are very risk averse folks who can get caught up in hubris, cognitive dissonance, and group think...
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:37 pm to
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Your cardiologist is biased and basing his knowledge on a faulty study and is seeking financial gain from pharmaceuticals.

Ah, now I understand you.

You are on a soapbox.
Posted by lsucoonass
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:38 pm to
Of course eating fat only or with carbs are bad.

The most ideal diet for weight loss is a high protein high fat and low carb

Or a high protein mod carb with low fat.
Posted by Adam4848
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:40 pm to
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One thing I found interesting... They told him flat out that he should never eat butter again, or alternatively, eat very little of it. They told him to use Pride as a sub, which I've never heard of but I think they said it was a vegetable oil spread. His first real meal after heart surgery was roast turkey breast, carrots, dark brown roll, and a salad tossed in olive oil and balsamic vinegar. It actually looked good though he said nothing had any taste. Carrots were only steamed, no salt, seasoning, or butter of course.


Glad to hear he's starting to get on track.

The scary thing is in society very little of the general population know what the three basic macros are, or how many calories are in everyday foods, or what a balanced diet looks like.

Natural butter on it's own is quite fine to eat but when used in multiple dishes as well as multiple times a week obviously the calorie count is going to add up and things start to snowball without even noticing.

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Your cardiologist is biased and basing his knowledge on a faulty study and is seeking financial gain from pharmaceuticals


^^This guy is killing it. Unfortunately doctors in today's world are pushed to sell prescriptions over anything else.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 1:43 pm
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