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re: OT Doctors/EMTs a few questions

Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:04 am to
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7108 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:04 am to
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Just A frickin’ ER Doctor


Don’t sell yourself short Rush

But obv need to R/O lupus
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22105 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:15 am to
quote:

Any ideas on what happened or what could be wrong? It was one of the scariest things I have ever seen. Thanks in advance.


Check for Narcolepsy. Had a guy go out on me at lunch on a contractor crew. Very similar description to what you said. When the person falls asleep they are very hard to wake up.
Posted by wypipos
Member since Oct 2020
35 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:55 am to
Very surprised the EMTs did not take him to the hospital without making him sign a waiver first.
Without knowing more than you've told us on the board, no one here can rule out a sudden cardiac event - best time to go to the ER would have been last night, second best time is right now.
Sudden return to consciousness without any lingering confusion would, to me, lessen the likelihood of a hypoglycemic event or seizure. Dehydration seems unlikely too since he was sitting in a bar.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31861 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 12:03 pm to
Would 100% have gone to the hospital.

44yo who isn't on any substance shouldn't:

1. Have a random seizure
2. A sudden arrhythmia
3. Become unresponsive

For no reason.
Posted by kisatchie53
Member since Jul 2011
1964 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 12:06 pm to
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Very surprised the EMTs did not take him to the hospital without making him sign a waiver first.


I feel confident they had him sign a tablet or piece of paper.
Posted by FullFontE
RTP
Member since Jan 2020
462 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 12:09 pm to
Vasovagal episode possibly. See a cardiologist stat
Posted by doc baklava
Between heaven and hell
Member since Oct 2020
1035 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 12:21 pm to
Of they did chest compressions then he didn't have a pulse and they broke his ribs.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
22859 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 1:58 pm to
I suspect a seizure disorder. There are different types of seizures that don't involve convulsions. A neurological workup would be a good idea.
Posted by Ghost Hog
Earth
Member since May 2015
462 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:16 pm to
He did sign something. I wasn't listening in on the evaluation but I saw him sign a tablet
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27568 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 5:06 pm to
but he said right before it happened his heart began racing and git light headed. After that he woke up on the floor.

VTach. Or some weird block. PSVT. The heart racing is a huge clue that it is cardiac in nature. Guy needs a cardiologist and Holter monitor. Tomorrow is Monday. He should have an appointment Monday. Until then he probably should not drive or be alone.
Posted by oob02
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
363 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 5:32 pm to
Internist here. I agree with this and JAFERD. Seizure unlikely given lack of post ictal period (confusion following a seizure). Hypoglycemia does not come on so suddenly. Vasovagal is unlikely to occur while sitting down unless bearing down like others have mentioned on a toilet. Given the pre-syncopal palpitations it is very likely ventricular arrhythmia, intermittent heart block or SVT. He needs an EKG, a cardiologist and a holter monitor / implanted loop recorder. He should have gone to the ER.
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 5:33 pm to
Sounds like syncope to me. Needs to see pcp, maybe cardiologist. Seizure is on differential but doesn’t really sound like one.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27568 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 5:56 pm to
The docs are out. If he were to see a cardiologist Monday would his troponin be elevated?

Cardiac event, unknown downtime, pulseless? If talking a code situation with a real round of CPR and meds ACLS etc. his trip would be sky high. Within a 24 hour period, how long before it normalizes?
Posted by doc baklava
Between heaven and hell
Member since Oct 2020
1035 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 6:55 pm to
yep, like absence or tonic seizures.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6166 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 7:01 pm to
There's any myriad of issues he could have. Ranging from simple dehydration to some weird syndrome. He should schedule an appointment with a cardiologist and bring a family history with him if relevant.
Posted by Ghost Hog
Earth
Member since May 2015
462 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 7:15 pm to
I very much appreciate all the responses. I'm still shaken up over the entire course of events. He has been texting today and seems alright for the time being. Our EMT friend called him and he's going to see the doctor in the morning. I don't post all that much but the OT is a pretty great source of instant information. Very many thanks baws!
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72649 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:00 pm to
Have you considered your friend possibly doesn’t care for your company and was merely trying to avoid interaction with the rest of your group? Commonly known as Ostrich Syndrome.

I’m a Board Certified Numismatic Member.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:02 pm
Posted by ZULU
Member since Sep 2009
1014 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:36 pm to
Syncopal episode
Schedule appointment with primary care provider
Was he having any chest pain at the time?
Posted by Ghost Hog
Earth
Member since May 2015
462 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:51 pm to
Not to my knowledge on any chest pain. Very sudden
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
11001 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:53 pm to
Seizure or some type of mini stroke

Did anyone check his pulse before they started doing compressions?
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:54 pm
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