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re: Oppose the proposed ULM School of Osteopathic Manipulative "Medicine"

Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:37 pm to
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:37 pm to
I think he is the head of the Opthamolgist Society of Kinder.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:37 pm to
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LATigerdoc


Stupid. DO's have an almost identical course curriculum in medical school, typically earn spots in MD residency programs, and typically take the same boards. A lower MCAT score does not automatically make a bad doctor, get off your high horse.
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:38 pm to
He might just be an activist on behalf of LSU Shreveport. That's fine.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:38 pm to
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I'm not arguing against your main point, but will this lead to an increase in rural access to healthcare?


There is a powerful lobby against it fueled by people like OP and other groups with their own interests at stake.

I'm still waiting for evidence that DOs are dangerous and provide substandard care.
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:40 pm to
My step-dad is a DPM. Does that make him a frick up too, because he's not an MD?
Posted by Cleopatra
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:40 pm to
He has no interest in improving the state's reputation & quality of healthcare in Louisiana. All of that is evident by his superiority complex. His lack of respect for others is astounding and a pretty sick mentality.

Why on God's green earth would someone in healthcare be so threatened by a DO program coming to Louisiana when schedules are full, wait times are long, and decreased quality of care is beyond me. A different teaching method/philosophy would allow us all to learn from a new perspective. It's not only in the state's best interest, but in the best interest of the patient.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:41 pm to
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I'm still waiting for evidence that DOs are dangerous and provide substandard care.

I don't think they do. I just always hear about "access to care" during these types of arguments, but have yet to see the benefits. Again, here we are saying "It'll help access to care in rural areas."
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:43 pm to
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I'm not arguing against your main point, but will this lead to an increase in rural access to healthcare? I've heard that from Nurses and Psychologists, but I haven't seen it.
They will be doing rotations and increasing the availability of patient care in the surrounding area. Raising the healthcare capacity of the places they are.

And while some Drs. after getting through Med School, don't want to practice in BFE LA. I understand that.

But others meet a hot LA SO and stay to raise a family and practice Family Med in an area that definitely needs them. That will happen.

And is some cases, get their student loans forgiven.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 10:48 pm
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:46 pm to
And I know a great orthopedic surgeon. He's a Doctor of orthopaedics. But he must be a dumbass because he's not an MD either.
Posted by LSUEnvy
Hou via Lake Chas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:46 pm to
What's malpractice rates in states that allow DOs to be licensed physicians vs MDs. Surely if there was that much disparity in their inability to practice competently then that would make it economically unfeasable, not to mention reduced insurance reimbursement rates.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14206 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:51 pm to
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Why on God's green earth would someone in healthcare be so threatened by a DO program coming to Louisiana when schedules are full, wait times are long, and decreased quality of care is beyond me. A different teaching method/philosophy would allow us all to learn from a new perspective. It's not only in the state's best interest, but in the best interest of the patient.


It's not that different at all. DO schools largely practice an MD school curriculum and then add in their OMM coursework which is where the osteopathic part comes in.

ETA: Only other minute difference would be in clinicals. DO schools usually emphasize primary care, but the students still rotate through the usual OB, surgery, primary care, etc.

I'm sure the idea of ULM getting a DO school is to act a feeder program to primary care in rural areas in North LA. Lower barrier to entry vs. LSU/Tulane and they can help under served areas in LA since LA has trouble retaining physicians after residency anyway. The idea that DO's are pseudoscience or are quacks is asinine and archaic. There are plenty of MD's that are terrible physicians, and there are plenty of DO's that are great physicians but catch hell from assholes like the OP for no good reason what so ever.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:51 pm to
Guess we settled that.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:52 pm to
DO vs. MD. What's the difference
quote:

Primary Differences between DOs & MDs Medical students attending osteopathic schools (DOs) must take an additional 200 hours of training learning manipulation techniques of the musckeloskeltial system. DO physicians tend to be primary care physicians, whereas U.S.M.D.’s tend to specialize in more specific types of medicine (Dermatology, Cardiology, Orthopedics, etc.) In the United States, 67.4% of active physicians are M.D.s vs. 7.3% which are D.O.s (The remaining 24.2% received their degree from a medical school outside of the United States.) DO students take the Comprehensive Medical Licensing Examination (COMLEX). MD medical students take the United States Medical Licensing Exam (USMLE). MD.’s tend to practice medicine in urban, metropolitan areas. D.O.’s are most prevalent in rural areas.


Crap. Meant to reply to Jake.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted by Cleopatra
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:52 pm to
Took the words right out of my mouth. Great perspective
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:54 pm to
/thread
Posted by Cleopatra
Member since May 2016
184 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:55 pm to
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D.O. School is not medical school. 



Our own ACGME is absorbing the AOA to form a common board in the next few years.

Activism is a good thing, and I enjoyed your enthusiasm during the NP Scope of Practice bill discussion, but I think you're on the wrong side of this one.


Also: I know DOs from allopathic residencies from Peds/Family all the way through Neurosurgery. Different training isn't inferior when held to the same standard in the end.
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
17446 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 10:56 pm to
You're a doc I can support. Cheers.
Posted by Respublica88
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 11:00 pm to
This guy should be a chief of something or in some capacity
Posted by Cleopatra
Member since May 2016
184 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 11:01 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 11:03 pm
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