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Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:29 pm to MrSmith65
In my experience my fellow engineers are way worse than operators when it comes to lying about salary.
It's funny, every one makes these huge salary, yet when you apply for these senior level management positions over those guy, the salary is less than what the underling claims to make.
Funny that away. And yes I know there are exception especially in today's market.
It's funny, every one makes these huge salary, yet when you apply for these senior level management positions over those guy, the salary is less than what the underling claims to make.
Funny that away. And yes I know there are exception especially in today's market.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:30 pm to TulaneUVA
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Call it what you want but the major oil companies are still Chevron, Shell, Exxon, BP, and squeeze in Total and ConacoPhillips
You can look up industry segments. I'm not sure why y'all are arguing about something that can be looked up in 30 seconds.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:32 pm to lsu777
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How is motiva a mid major considering it is or at least was the largest refinery in the us?
Motiva has a large Refinery, yes. But that does not make their corporation a Major. It was a damn joint venture before 2017 between shell and Saudi
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:32 pm to TulaneUVA
From what I have scene, with the exception of Exxon, those guys aren't the ones paying the most because they don't have to. They offer so much else they can pay less and still get the top candidates.
From what I have scene it's shite places like indorama that pay the most because they have to.
From what I have scene it's shite places like indorama that pay the most because they have to.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You can look up industry segments. I'm not sure why y'all are arguing about something that can be looked up in 30 seconds.
How about Wikipedia?
Big Oil is a name used to describe the world's six or seven largest publicly traded oil and gas companies, also known as supermajors.[1][2][3][4] The supermajors are considered to be BP plc, Chevron Corporation, ExxonMobil Corporation, Royal Dutch Shell plc, Total SA and Eni SpA, with Phillips 66 Company also sometimes described in the past as forming part of the group.[1][2]
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:38 pm to TulaneUVA
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Call it what you want but the major oil companies are still Chevron, Shell, Exxon, BP, and squeeze in Total and ConacoPhillips
In football terms, I guess these would be the Alabama/Norte Dame/Michigan/Ohio State of the plant world. Would Citgo, Sasol, PPG (whatever company they spun off for their chemical plants name is) be the equivalent of OK State/Auburn or more like Louisville/Boise st., or more like ULL/Appalachian st?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:40 pm to Ric Flair
Mid major in football and basketball is not the right analogy 
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:41 pm to TulaneUVA
Keep talking out your arse.
Research REVENUE, and get back to us.
Still clueless.
Research REVENUE, and get back to us.
Still clueless.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:42 pm to TulaneUVA
You’ve pissed off a few mid major guys here
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:43 pm to Ric Flair
It's mighty rich of the fools on this board to make fun of operators for making a living and a good one at that
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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150k?
With what, 1200 hours of OT?
Around 500 hrs of OT will get you close to that actually, if you also include triple time for holiday pay and training classes.
Saying that, I want to start Chem E school next semester. Frick this shift work.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:45 pm to MrSmith65
Damn. Some plant baws got pissed off enough to make an account after these past few days 
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:46 pm to lsu777
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Yea there are very very few engineers making 150k. Bunch of lying bullshite with the 300k. No engineer in the plants is touching 200k as an engineer. Most plant managers don't make 300k except the big refineries and I'm talking the big boys.
Mechanical is starting at 65-85
Chemical is starting at 70-95
Electrical is starting at 70-85
Civil is starting at 55-65 if in the plants
Mechanicals in non supervision role is topping out at 125
Chemical is topping out in non supervision role at 115-130
Electrical is topping out at 125 or so if not in a power plant of some kind
Civil is topping out at 115 or so
The above doesn't include bonuses which can be up to 30-40k
And chemicals are going to move to unit supervision and top out around 175
Mechanical will move to engineering supervision usually and top out around 175 too.
Civil and electrical are just happy to get the bonus, if the plant even has those positions especially civil.
This is exactly what I’ve seen. I’m a ChemE (currently working as a Mfg Engineer, same as Process Engineer), and I’ve been out of school almost 4 years now (lightly experienced).
Folks in my experience bracket (0 - 5 years) are pulling down 70 - 100, depending on role. As a mfg engineer my work hours are heavily beholden to how the process is running. On good weeks, I’ll put in 40 or slightly less and be happy. When shite hits the fan, I can hit 60+ working nights and/or weekends as needed. Worst I’ve done so far was 21 hours straight at the plant one time. I’m also on call basically 24/7, so getting woke up at 3 AM every once in a while is a thing.
The highly experienced (25+ year) engineers that are still in technical roles are probably around 130 - 150. You can get up to the 175+ range if you’re an SME/Engineering Fellow. Most of these guys work a more consistent schedule and are around 50 hours a week (though this can change a lot based on role too).
The real big money in ChemE comes when you move into management. Plant management and senior management are in the 200 - 300 range with gigantic (20+%) performance bonuses. To get there, though, you gotta absolutely bust your arse and politic with the best of them. This huge pay comes with a massive pile of stress to boot on top of basically always being plugged in to the plant. I dunno how these guys ever unwind, they basically eat/sleep/breathe the plant/business. If you’re really really good, you could eventually parlay this experience into a VP role, and the sky’s the limit from there.
The operators I work with day in and day out are great folks, and they get paid well for what they do. A big thing about their role that gets underestimated is that when they walk out of the gate, they’re done until their next shift. Doesn’t matter what shape the place was in when they left - they don’t have to think about work at all when they leave. This is what I’m most jealous of.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:47 pm to Croacka
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You’ve pissed off a few mid major guys here
Apparently so. Look, I am not so tied to my company that I get butt hurt about it. It’s been great to me so far in my career and has taken me further salary wise than I ever thought possible. But it would foolish to rest on past laurels and big name. I will be the first to admit that the smaller companies have a lot of advantages (being nimble in a quick moving market) that the larger ones don’t. And the big boys are getting beat in the game as of late.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:48 pm to lsu777
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From what I have scene
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From what I have scene
Which movie?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:51 pm to weedGOKU666
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A big thing about their role that gets underestimated is that when they walk out of the gate, they’re done until their next shift. Doesn’t matter what shape the place was in when they left - they don’t have to think about work at all when they leave. This is what I’m most jealous of.
Amen. Sucks leaving on Friday only to think about all the pile of shite still left to do Monday. Engineering side of things basically means: never ending worklist.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:51 pm to Ric Flair
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I was amazed seeing the operator pay in recent threads. How much does an operator make vs. a chemical engineer at a well established plant (Dow, Exxon, etc).
I know at Exxon Mobil, operators make mid-80's. They bust their arse on turnarounds and they can take take home 6 figures.
Chemical engineers there make well into 6 figures.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:07 pm to wadewilson
I'm eng. I dont know what all this talk of non paid OT is about.
I get paid every hour I work during the week. No time and a half, but work 50 hours, get paid 50 hours. Been that way everywhere I've worked.
This is EPCs not owners though.
I get paid every hour I work during the week. No time and a half, but work 50 hours, get paid 50 hours. Been that way everywhere I've worked.
This is EPCs not owners though.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:29 pm to CP3
You guys need to step up. Railroad engineers are far outpacing you o&g baws.
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