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re: Operator vs. Engineer?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:04 am to LSUsuperfresh
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:04 am to LSUsuperfresh
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When we open an operator position, we have 3,000 people apply and they stay here forever once they hire on. We leave engineering positions open for a year because we have like 30 people apply and none are really good candidates. It's crazy how the pay scales are the same with engineering having a much higher barrier to entry.
That should tell you a whole lot, you do understand that right?
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:11 am to TitleistProV1X
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That should tell you a whole lot, you do understand that right?
It tells me that supply is much higher for operations and they have a price floor established due to the union which sets their pay scale equal to early engineers. If operators were hired on a free market basis as engineers are, they would probably make about half of what they make now.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:41 am to heatom2
I’m an engineer and I can do my job in 40 hours if I work smart. But coffee breaks and socializing make most work 50 a week. Operators are there earlier and leave later every day but they don’t work harder. They sit in front of a screen all day talking about shite to impress each other. It’s not a hard job. There is higher risks but they don’t consistently do a lot. As an engineer I make much more than them.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:48 am to Croacka
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Process engineers probably make 120-150K if I had to guess.
That's after 3-5 yrs.
Operators in plants make 60-80k if not taking much OT. 120k with some moderate OT.
Your more skilled Hourly Guys can make 120-150k with OT like maint guys, planners, etc.
The biggest difference between operator and engineer is quality of life compromise of shift work, aka 'being with your family' for holidays, weekends, etc.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:06 am to Ric Flair
I love these threads. I’m in the control room now on overtime. My beans are almost ready, gonna put all my control valves in Auto/RSP after lunch, turn the alarm volume up on my DCS and pass out for awhile.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:07 am to HogBalls
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I love these threads. I’m in the control room now on overtime. My beans are almost ready, gonna put all my control valves in Auto/RSP after lunch, turn the alarm volume up on my DCS and pass out for awhile.
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Arkansas/Loozanna Line
Are you at GP Crossett?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:12 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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They could replace you with a high school kid as you have the same amount of skills and he'd be probably better at your job within 6 months.
If that were true, it would have been done, basic economics.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:15 am to LSUsuperfresh
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If operators were hired on a free market basis as engineers are, they would probably make about half of what they make now.
What drives the pay scale is competition for good employees. I would say out of those 3200 people that submitted applications maybe 100 are worth a crap. The high volume of plants along the Mississippi River is why the pay scale is so high here. That’s why experienced engineers make so much in this area also.
New hire operators do not make much money that’s a bit overstated. They hire in at a low rate and progress up as they learn the job.
It takes years of experience before somebody is actually useful. The same could be said about the engineer also at least on the process side. Experienced people at both jobs are invaluable.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:18 am to fightin tigers
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Mingo wants an operator to post his W2 so he can go home and beat off to it
As an IT guy in MFG IT for 18 yrs and a LOT of labor/payroll reporting projects under the belt, I can vouch for the annual income of hourly employees in south la.
Hell in 2001 we had about 700 employees, 100 of the hourly guys grossed over 100k. at straight 48hrs(4 12s) the lowest paid helpers were making 40-50k.
And this was not a top-tier facility 17 yrs ago.
it's 30-50% higher now. Most operators make over 100k. And most operators are often missing their kids' little league games and recitals but also get to go fishing on Tuesdays.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:22 am to Bass_Man
Its because "operator" carries the stigma of "get paid a whole bunch to not do shite" among all of the people who've never done it. Ever talked to a contractor in a plant? Damn near every single one of them is dreaming about being an operator.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:23 am to 50_Tiger
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50_Tiger
We're all very impressed, but I'm not sure why you jumped into this thread bragging about your pay in a completely unrelated industry.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:26 am to fjlee90
I'm completely ignorant about engineering so this will sound stupid but,
You all have been talking about Chem Engineers, EE, etc.
Where do the Petroleum Engineering folks fit in with all this? I'm specifically talking about those with the PE degree.
You all have been talking about Chem Engineers, EE, etc.
Where do the Petroleum Engineering folks fit in with all this? I'm specifically talking about those with the PE degree.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:29 am to mikelbr
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Your more skilled Hourly Guys can make 120-150k with OT like maint guys, planners, etc.
The only people on the maintenance side that make that are superintendents and supervisors. The skilled craft guys that make good money are normally working on the road chasing turnarounds gone all the time.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:40 am to bowlbound
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Where do the Petroleum Engineering folks fit in with all this? I'm specifically talking about those with the PE degree.
They're strictly upstream. Their jobs are a lot more volatile. They can make a killing (+150k) paying little taxes working in strange places when oil prices are high. Or they can be begging for jobs when oil prices are low.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:53 am to Bass_Man
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The only people on the maintenance side that make that are superintendents and supervisors. The skilled craft guys that make good money are normally working on the road chasing turnarounds gone all the time.
I can tell for fact that Maintenance Mechanic IVs at 4 different plants within 75 miles of Downtown Baton Rouge make 150-170k. These are supervisors yes and work straight days and OT when they want on projects/shutdowns.
ETA: and to clarify the value, No. Engineers and HS kids can NOT do their job. That's why these cocksuckers can never be fired even when they do some SERIOUSLY fricked up shite to people inside the gates.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:43 pm to heatom2
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It's amazing how much people overestimate the amount of overtime we work. Every place has one or two overtime hogs but we don't all do it. I made well into six figures averaging 50 hours a week.
This exactly! There are one or two people shift that are "OT hogs". Other than that I think I average one ot day per pay period (2 weeks). So I still only work a total of 8 days in two weeks.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:46 pm to Croacka
Not always... Sr Process guys that are essentially making the shite happen make hand over fist what most PMs make.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:51 pm to heatom2
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It's amazing how much people overestimate the amount of overtime we work. Every place has one or two overtime hogs but we don't all do it. I made well into six figures averaging 50 hours a
So you wanna tell the class how daily and weekly overtime work? Or you gonna just let them think you're paid straight time for 40 and 1.5 for 10?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:56 pm to MusclesofBrussels
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We're all very impressed, but I'm not sure why you jumped into this thread bragging about your pay in a completely unrelated industry.
Oh im sorry did I miss the part of the thread where it said Operator vs. Engineer (Chemical Only)?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:02 pm to 50_Tiger
When I was making chemicals we had this little engineer come around and start bitching so we opened a valve and let him get a taste of chemicals. He said it messed up his skin but that dork was pimple faced before anyway
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