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Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:23 pm to cgrand
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regardless, the need for societal norms and human morality is indisputable. Religion provides that
NO argument from me on that.
Physicist Dyson Freeman, who was an agnostic, raised his children in the Episcopalian church for that very reason. And he continued to attend church after they grew up.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:25 pm to Rust Cohle
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This must hit so hard if you don’t know what words mean.
I’m sorry my words went over your head
Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:57 pm to Obtuse1
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You are clearly not equipped for that discussion.
Try me. They are one in the same my friend
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:00 pm to Howyouluhdat
And they’re not by the way.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:12 pm to Howyouluhdat
You can dilute the word worship from something, that is reserved for the Devine, to mean value, and so much so that everything is worship, and it loses meaning, and God to a catch all to mean anything also, but I would reserve these words for God.
Because then I could change any word to mean whatever I want, like baptize. Like saying a gym bro gets baptized with a cold plunge transforming his life to something bigger and better. Then try to argue that anyone can get baptized.
Words matter, we have words like passionate, devoted, committed, even fanatic, and when someone exchanges one of these for worships, they’re speaking in hyperbole.
Because then I could change any word to mean whatever I want, like baptize. Like saying a gym bro gets baptized with a cold plunge transforming his life to something bigger and better. Then try to argue that anyone can get baptized.
Words matter, we have words like passionate, devoted, committed, even fanatic, and when someone exchanges one of these for worships, they’re speaking in hyperbole.
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
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one AND the same.
Don’t be that guy. Nobody likes you and yes they are regardless of definition. You will truly never know if there is a higher power or not until you die. You can’t die on the hill of “ I don’t know if there is or not so I’m agnostic” because that means you’ve put thought into it and if you’ve thought about it then you have most likely looked into it further so either you believe or you don’t. It’s not something that needs pondering over for years and years.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:18 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Nobody likes you
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You will truly never know if there is a higher power or not until you die. You can’t die on the hill of “ I don’t know if there is or not so I’m agnostic” because that means you’ve put thought into it and if you’ve thought about it then you have most likely looked into it further so either you believe or you don’t. It’s not something that needs pondering over for years and years.
I don’t know what you mean by all this.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:38 pm to Mo Jeaux
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don’t know what you mean by all this.
It means with all the resources we have you should be able to come to a conclusion. You know, theist or not
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:47 pm to Rust Cohle
The Bible itself uses worship in ways other then to GOD.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 4:45 pm to oldtrucker
Hit me with the verses! I’m aware of the many that use worship in reference to God or other gods. And many verses that say do not love, follow, store up, be friends with and serve the things of this world.
“Worship” is usually a conscious act of bowing, sacrificing, praying, or otherwise expressing reverence.
But loving the world, hoarding wealth, or idolizing relationships, while spiritually dangerous, is often framed as competing allegiance, not worship per se.
“Worship” is usually a conscious act of bowing, sacrificing, praying, or otherwise expressing reverence.
But loving the world, hoarding wealth, or idolizing relationships, while spiritually dangerous, is often framed as competing allegiance, not worship per se.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 5:01 pm to Rust Cohle
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But loving the world, hoarding wealth, or idolizing relationships, while spiritually dangerous, is often framed as competing allegiance, not worship per se.
Let’s breakdown the old English word weorthscipe which means worthiness, acknowledgment of worth. Worth can mean to give something high value or merit. Tangible things can be “worth” a lot to people whether monetarily or morally. Unfortunately a lot of peoples God is a selfish egotistical modern idolatry
Posted on 6/29/25 at 7:22 pm to Howyouluhdat
quote:why didn’t you use the word worship here?
Unfortunately a lot of peoples God is a selfish egotistical modern idolatry
I’m not going to pretend to know the Etymology and nuances of why they chose certain words to translate to but look at the Greek and Hebrew words- The biblical words shachah and proskuneo describe the physical and social act of showing submission or reverence, bowing or falling down.
This is not just some non theist view.
Even william Lane Craig disagrees with you. “It seems to me very clearly that an attitude of worship as opposed to mere admiration or awe or respect requires that the object of worship be perfectly good. … To be perfectly good, God is to be worshiped and adored because He is the supreme good.”
By your definition, everyone worships multiple things, no one’s gonna disagree with you to say that they people have a hierarchy of values.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 7:36 pm to Rust Cohle
word salad by a pseudo intellectual on line one
Posted on 6/29/25 at 7:58 pm to cgrand
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This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/29/25 at 8:58 pm to Howyouluhdat
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with all the resources we have you should be able to come to a conclusion. You know, theist or not
What kind of resources would prove or disprove the existence of God?
Posted on 6/29/25 at 9:01 pm to L.A.
Creators of Warren Jeffs who is still touching Mormons to this day from prison. Disgusting.
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 9:02 pm
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