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re: On this day 75 years ago...the city of Tokyo was wiped off the map
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:52 am to 50_Tiger
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:52 am to 50_Tiger
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While I understand that it had to be done, killing thousands of civilians shouldn't be celebrated. It's a sobering reminder of the cost of war. RIP
They would have never quit if we didn't.
I assume you are aware of this
It's literally in the post you quoted so...
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:53 am to Lima Whiskey
And that's the true horror of plane delivered atomic weapons.
It's night. You hear them, planes, wave after wave, incoming. They know it's going to be a bad time.
The atomic bomb. It's day, there's like 3 planes, observers...maybe it's our turn in a night or two. Maybe it's those damn turn against our Emperor leaflets.
1 thing drops, people are gone, city blocks are gone. One little thing, one big hole. All the fires. People are blinded and burned near the blast. In the blast, nothing much.
All for a couple planes.
It's night. You hear them, planes, wave after wave, incoming. They know it's going to be a bad time.
The atomic bomb. It's day, there's like 3 planes, observers...maybe it's our turn in a night or two. Maybe it's those damn turn against our Emperor leaflets.
1 thing drops, people are gone, city blocks are gone. One little thing, one big hole. All the fires. People are blinded and burned near the blast. In the blast, nothing much.
All for a couple planes.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:55 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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The responses in this thread are pathetic. And a shining example of the ignorance and attitude that casts a dark shadow over American society today
Sounds like youre well indoctrinated. Congrats I guess.
You probably wore Che t-shirts.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:56 am to OmniPundit
If I remember correctly the death ratio started out decently high at the beginning of the war on the specific with a ratio something like 10:1 Japanese to American infantry men dying. As we got closer that ratio kept shrinking until in some of the last islands taken it was either even at 1:1 or greater losses on the American side for every Japanese killed. I thought I saw somewhere the military estimates put that ratio at something like 1:4 for the invasion of the main island and we would have had to kill everyone.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:57 am to ZappBrannigan
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And blaming the Oil and materials embargo as the start of it when Japan was already on warfooting in the Sino War is ridiculous.
The embargo was certainly the trigger. The Japanese felt we had challenged them, and honor in turn compelled them to strike back. If they did not hit back, they would not be men.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:58 am to Lima Whiskey
Well, that defense of their manhood resulted in complete destruction of their military and their society. Congrats boys
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:01 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Well, that defense of their manhood resulted in complete destruction of their military and their society. Congrats boys
"On the next episode of "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong...""
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 7:46 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:03 am to RollTide1987
We should have bombed Beijing instead
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:03 am to SpencerRob
Like I said it's been awhile.
The only thing I know for sure is the Demon Core because it's fricking metal and I went on a deep dive on nuclear accidents a couple years back.
But the logistics I'm remembering put it somewhere as every couple of months.
Now there was a list of cities to destroy and that was about a dozen left untouched to really show the power of the bombs.
Kyoto was spared being a target because of sentimentality on some higher up in the War Department.
That's how fricked wars are. A city was spared major bombing because a guy was high up enough to say No, my wife and I had our honeymoon there.
The only thing I know for sure is the Demon Core because it's fricking metal and I went on a deep dive on nuclear accidents a couple years back.
But the logistics I'm remembering put it somewhere as every couple of months.
Now there was a list of cities to destroy and that was about a dozen left untouched to really show the power of the bombs.
Kyoto was spared being a target because of sentimentality on some higher up in the War Department.
That's how fricked wars are. A city was spared major bombing because a guy was high up enough to say No, my wife and I had our honeymoon there.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:06 am to RollTide1987
If we had not had technological superiority, the Japanese would have won. They were far, far more committed to victory than we were. They truly went all out, committing terrible atrocities along the way. If we had been living in another era, the US would not have accepted surrender and would have exterminated them to prevent recurrence of the same behavior. The Japanese are incredibly lucky that they were allowed to survive their crimes.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:07 am to schlodc
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In Germany they made a big arse debris mountain in Munich (covered in grass now). It's in the middle of Olympic Park. Climbed to the top and looked down into Olympic Stadium to watch Rammstien perform last year.
Saw Metallica in the same spot way back in the day. Great venue for a show like that
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
Probably 30 years ago I was with two WWII vets both were in the Pacific. One was a B17 pilot that did primarily reconnaissance flights and made pictures. The other was on the ground and was awarded a silver star and many say he should have gotten the Medal of Honor and would have but for a scrap with his Captain.
The pilot was very supportive of our decision to nuke Japan but the guy that saw the real action was critical of it. He said we shouldn't have done it. His claim was the country was defeated and we should have just abandoned Japan. He was very critical of MacArthur's rebuilding of Japan.
It was an interesting conversation to hear. They were both in the sauce pretty good when they were arguing.
The pilot was very supportive of our decision to nuke Japan but the guy that saw the real action was critical of it. He said we shouldn't have done it. His claim was the country was defeated and we should have just abandoned Japan. He was very critical of MacArthur's rebuilding of Japan.
It was an interesting conversation to hear. They were both in the sauce pretty good when they were arguing.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:11 am to I B Freeman
But what does this have to do with tariffs?
Just screwing with you. I find it interesting that the opinions were held by who you say held them. I would have thought the opposite
Just screwing with you. I find it interesting that the opinions were held by who you say held them. I would have thought the opposite
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:12 am to RollTide1987
Those F'ers deserved every bit of it and more. All this talk of the citizens. They were an island of sadistic brainwashed monsters. Everywhere they went brutality followed.
People now think of this like oh we went and bombed this group of small bowing people. No they weren't small bowing people docile and flaccid until we made them that way. The disconnect is real though. Even the Japanese don't really know the extent of brutality their country did before/during WW2. When I asked my then Japanese girlfriend what she was taught about it, she says... we did some bad things'.
I will give Japan credit though, they did pivot towards being a decent country afterward.
People now think of this like oh we went and bombed this group of small bowing people. No they weren't small bowing people docile and flaccid until we made them that way. The disconnect is real though. Even the Japanese don't really know the extent of brutality their country did before/during WW2. When I asked my then Japanese girlfriend what she was taught about it, she says... we did some bad things'.
I will give Japan credit though, they did pivot towards being a decent country afterward.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:12 am to I B Freeman
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He said we shouldn't have done it. His claim was the country was defeated and we should have just abandoned Japan.
Individual Jap soldiers fought on for decades after the end of the war on some islands. They were fanatically committed. If we had left them alone, they'd have regrouped and started again.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:13 am to rallyTiger
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We should have bombed Beijing too
There you go
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:14 am to Oilfieldbiology
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If I remember correctly the death ratio started out decently high at the beginning of the war on the specific with a ratio something like 10:1 Japanese to American infantry men dying. As we got closer that ratio kept shrinking until in some of the last islands taken it was either even at 1:1 or greater losses on the American side for every Japanese killed. I thought I saw somewhere the military estimates put that ratio at something like 1:4 for the invasion of the main island and we would have had to kill everyone.
My earlier post is from what I remember having lived through it as a child.
This reply is from "AMERICAN MILITARY HISTORY", Part of the ROTC curriculum back when.
When faced with trying to fight essentially 2 wars at once, The American Government oped to fight the European war first, and to try a "holding action" in the Pacific.
What you described was the results of European war first,then take care of the Pacific. By the time the Pacific became the primary war zone, they were well dug in, and were fighting for survival as a country.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:22 am to Ace Midnight
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we had WWII vets still in teaching and administrative posts in the 1970s.
I had a female history teacher one year in high school that had been a nurse in the navy in the Pacific theater during WWII. Occasionally we could get her to tell us war stories instead of just what was in the book.
Amazing stories from someone, who if you passed her on the street, you would never suspect had done anything exciting in her life.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:25 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Well, that defense of their manhood resulted in complete destruction of their military and their society.
That’s how honor works, it’s a brutal ethos to follow.
Many of the top leaders believed they would lose the war. And they understood the price they would pay.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:27 am to Lima Whiskey
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The embargo was certainly the trigger.
For them it was. Their barbarism in China, particularly in Nanking, was our trigger.
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