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re: On this day 75 years ago...the city of Tokyo was wiped off the map
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:21 am to MMauler
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:21 am to MMauler
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Did anyone else think that this was going to be a post about Godzilla?
Godizilla was an allegory of the WWII and immediate postwar period from the Japanese perspective.
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:22 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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We tend to focus completely on Germany and ignore the entire other half of the war. I find that sad and it’s something I wish we could correct
Literally Yamamoto
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:24 am to MMauler
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75 years ago
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Did anyone else think that this was going to be a post about Godzilla?
No, Godzilla is only 66 years old, you big dummy.
Haha.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:27 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
What crack are you on?
The atomic bombs vs Olympia is still an openly and hotly debated topic.
And blaming the Oil and materials embargo as the start of it when Japan was already on warfooting in the Sino War is ridiculous.
A country attacked United States soil, full stop, is a good enough starting point.
The problem with most kids American history classes is they end sometime in the 1930s and since it's already following FDR's history there it goes more to Europe which everybody over here was pretty eh about at the time. So they get the abbreviated on all sides WWII.
It's a timing issue on the lessons themselves.
Now we get to Japan and that's a real history cover-up. But that was also actually encouraged by us to make it easier for the knee to bend.
The atomic bombs vs Olympia is still an openly and hotly debated topic.
And blaming the Oil and materials embargo as the start of it when Japan was already on warfooting in the Sino War is ridiculous.
A country attacked United States soil, full stop, is a good enough starting point.
The problem with most kids American history classes is they end sometime in the 1930s and since it's already following FDR's history there it goes more to Europe which everybody over here was pretty eh about at the time. So they get the abbreviated on all sides WWII.
It's a timing issue on the lessons themselves.
Now we get to Japan and that's a real history cover-up. But that was also actually encouraged by us to make it easier for the knee to bend.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:28 am to RollTide1987
When your cities are made out of paper and balsa wood and you go to war with an industrial superpower, you might want to upgrade your fire protection.
This is why I don't get the handwringing about Hiroshima or Nagasaki - the sheer shock value of the potential of the weapons helped speed up the end of the war where prolonged and repeated firebombing had not.
The firebombing victims were just as dead.
I don't like the fact civilians got killed in industrial numbers, but it was their government who put them in harm's way, not the United States.
This is why I don't get the handwringing about Hiroshima or Nagasaki - the sheer shock value of the potential of the weapons helped speed up the end of the war where prolonged and repeated firebombing had not.
The firebombing victims were just as dead.
I don't like the fact civilians got killed in industrial numbers, but it was their government who put them in harm's way, not the United States.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:32 am to White Roach
Smoked them frickers like a cheap cigar, Slant eye NAZIS !!
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:32 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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America went to the most extreme measures to end the war in the pacific.
Can you even contemplate the extremism of the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army?
Let me stop you right there - you probably can't.
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We’re not really taught in school here what actually happened in the pacific or the reason behind it.
Japanese aggression, the ebb of the Western colonies, island hopping, the Phillipines, Guadalcanal, Iwo, Okinawa? I was taught all those things. Hell, we had WWII vets still in teaching and administrative posts in the 1970s. (Yeah, buddy, I'm old, wanna fight about it?)
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it’s something I wish we could correct
Get credentialed and go teach somewhere.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:34 am to Oilfieldbiology
Naw, he was a war winner and luckily on the Allied side. Our surface raiders and subs did to Japan what the Germans tried to do to the UK. That's how powerful we were. Other countries could imagine it. These strangling tentacles, those atomic bombs. We made it happen, because we were really the only country with the resource potential for it.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:36 am to scrooster
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We had 12 really big bombs lined up ready to go.
Not sure why people spout off things on the internet like this. The fact is, we were completely out of Nuclear devices and completely out of fissionable material. We only had conventional bombs left.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:40 am to SpencerRob
It's been awhile since I read up on it.
I think September would've been the next online weapon and then 1 every 2-3 months after?
There was still material as the Demon Core was the potential 3rd bomb, but it already giving Los Alamos problems that August.
I think September would've been the next online weapon and then 1 every 2-3 months after?
There was still material as the Demon Core was the potential 3rd bomb, but it already giving Los Alamos problems that August.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:41 am to scrooster
quote:Please find me evidence of this assertion.
Tokyo was gonna get it again ... then Kokuro and so on. We had 12 really big bombs lined up ready to go.
I have always heard differently.
I’m not being critical of the use of the nuclear bums on Japan, I would not be here if we had not used them. My pops would have probably died on the Honshu plain at the beginning of Operation Olympic in ‘46.
So it’s personal for me.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:42 am to SpencerRob
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Not sure why people spout off things on the internet like this. The fact is, we were completely out of Nuclear devices and completely out of fissionable material. We only had conventional bombs left.
Pay attention to his post for any period of time, and you'll find of the the most vile yet abjectly stupid people on this site.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:42 am to StringedInstruments
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Where does all of that debris go?
In Germany they made a big arse debris mountain in Munich (covered in grass now). It's in the middle of Olympic Park. Climbed to the top and looked down into Olympic Stadium to watch Rammstien perform last year.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:43 am to MoarKilometers
Yes, the part where they own the majority of our debt.
I once heard a comedian discuss this topic.
It went kinda like this.
Hey, America, you owe us a lot of money. What have you been doing with it?
America replies, "Building atomic weapons."
Japan's response, "OK, just wondering."
I once heard a comedian discuss this topic.
It went kinda like this.
Hey, America, you owe us a lot of money. What have you been doing with it?
America replies, "Building atomic weapons."
Japan's response, "OK, just wondering."
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:43 am to soccerfüt
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not being critical of the use of the nuclear bums on Japan, I would not be here if we had not used them. My
I've seen that porno. It was a gas.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:44 am to Tortious
It’s a staggering number of aircraft
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:44 am to scrooster
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We had 12 really big bombs lined up ready to go.
It's comical how people argue a point as if they know all then drop a complete, and well known, falsehood like this.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:47 am to RollTide1987
I remember our having bombed Tokyo, but iirc the big news "back home" was Doolittle's raid. (I was only about 5 at that time.) Again, I have to invoke "iirc", but I remember Doolittle's raid "was to give the American home front something to cheer about", and it did exactly that.
By 1945, we had control of the air, and raids on Japan were fairly common, and we were having to prepare to defeat Japan "an island at a time", with millions of casualties on each side. Raids such as this, and the atomic bomb, prevented having to do this.
By 1945, we had control of the air, and raids on Japan were fairly common, and we were having to prepare to defeat Japan "an island at a time", with millions of casualties on each side. Raids such as this, and the atomic bomb, prevented having to do this.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:49 am to MMauler
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Did anyone else think that this was going to be a post about Godzilla?
Guilty as charged.
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:51 am to ZappBrannigan
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I think September would've been the next online weapon and then 1 every 2-3 months after?
It’s my understanding that there was an expectation that more would be needed, and they were working on a third while providing estimates as to follow on numbers, but there wasn’t any real solid timeline that could be counted on. They had quite a few air crews trained and ready, but the actual completed bombs were going to take significant time to produce.
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