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re: On this day 189 years ago, some of the bravest men in history sold their lives dearly...
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:00 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:00 am to RollTide1987
I also had an ancestor there that day, Mial Scurlock
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:01 am to Hogwarts
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Visited the Alamo a few years ago, was honestly struck by how small that church was. Crazy to think of the battle that went on there
I got to visit back in October and this was my thought as well. I thought it all would be much bigger
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:04 am to 777Tiger
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and not the smallest issue was that Mexico wanted to end slavery but the white Texas colonists did not
They thought Texans were lazy and needed slaves to do their physical work.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
So today they elect Al Green and that goofy woman??
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:28 am to Loup
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I might be. I also remember hearing that Davy Crockett was one of the ones captured and that it pisses Texans off whenever it comes up. I think it was a historian on the MeatEater podcast talking about it. I can't remember what book it was that I read that in. I read a lot so there's a good chance I'm mixing this up with something else.
eta: based on a quick google search, there were some eyewitness accounts that Crockett was one of 7 who were captured and executed.
This is all based on a letter from one of the Mexican junior officers. No one has definitively verified the letter, but historians get paid to continually generate new takes on things that happened long ago, so this is the latest new take. Maybe it happened that way, maybe not.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:38 am to 777Tiger
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this seems like, and not directed solely at you, a case of selective, revisionist history, people on there shite on the south for fighting to prolong slavery but the colonists in Texas revolted for almost all the same reasons the the south seceded from the union, and not the smallest issue was that Mexico wanted to end slavery but the white Texas colonists did not
Complete revisionist bullshite.
Slavery was not even close to a primary cause of the Texican (that is what they called themselves) revolt.
Learn something about the events leading up to the war and you will see where the true revisionism lies. Shortly prior to the war in Texas, Santa Ana had brutally suppressed a similar rebellion in the Mexican interior. Part of the reason for this rebellion, and the subsequent Texas rebellion, was the suspension of the Mexican Constitution of 1824 by Santa Ana. This is why many of the earliest Texican flags are the Mexican flag with "1824" superimposed on it.
Most critically, because of the interior rebellion, Santa Ana attempted to disarm all of Mexico. On the Texas frontier where Comanche raids were frequent, this was unacceptable. That led to another famous Texas flag - the silhouette of a canon with "Come and Take It" below it.
Equating the Texas revolution with the Civil War succession is no more than vapid modernist woke education speaking. Ignorance is fixable, stupid is not. Up to you to figure out where you fit.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 10:39 am to GetCocky11
fake news
it was more like a mardi gras celebration that went wrong
it was more like a mardi gras celebration that went wrong
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:05 am to TigerHornII
Texas revolution was the first successful territory/state to rebell in a larger Mexican civil war between the Federalists who supported the Constitution of 1824 against the Centralist Mexican Government.
The Yucatan (Campeche) also gained independence from Mexico, but later rejoined Mexico. Zacatecas was a state that rebelled prior to Texas but got the shite kicked out of it by the Centralists.
The Yucatan (Campeche) also gained independence from Mexico, but later rejoined Mexico. Zacatecas was a state that rebelled prior to Texas but got the shite kicked out of it by the Centralists.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:16 am to RollTide1987
now American men whine on social media when they can't wear nail polish in uniform, and up until 6 weeks ago, the Mexicans were still invading the U.S.
So much has changed, yet so little.
So much has changed, yet so little.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:30 am to Hogwarts
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Visited the Alamo a few years ago, was honestly struck by how small that church was. Crazy to think of the battle that went on there.
The church was part of a larger walled compound that no longer exists.
Travis chose to fortify the Alamo instead of the more easily defensible Presidio. Then he defied Sam Houston's order to evacuate San Antonio and link up with the main Texian army. The Alamo siege was never supposed to happen. Travis's arrogance and dumbassery got him and his men killed, made him a legend and got a bunch of stuff in Texas named after him.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:34 am to Loup
quote:The few that were hiding in the basement.
Isn't there some evidence that a few were captured/surrendered and were executed later? I remember reading something about that.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:35 am to RollTide1987
Some did, a lot of them surrendered and were shot.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:35 am to RollTide1987
Why didn't they just surrender to obviously far superior forces like we expect Zelensky to do?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:40 am to Lakeboy7
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Some did, a lot of them surrendered and were shot.
been a long time since I've read up on it but didn't Santa Ana give them several opportunities to surrender and the last offer was that if the offer was rejected there would be no prisoners(combatants,) taken?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:41 am to RollTide1987
This Alamo flag is on display at the Mexican Military Museum. Let's take it back.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 11:53 am to Missouri Waltz
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This Alamo flag is on display at the Mexican Military Museum. Let's take it back.
there's some captured British flag in a museum down in Buenos Aires that the Brits really want back but the Argentinians have told them to go frick themselves, too lazy to look up the significance of the flag
Posted on 3/6/25 at 12:51 pm to mmcgrath
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The few that were hiding in the basement.
There's no basement in the Alamo!!
Posted on 3/6/25 at 12:55 pm to 777Tiger
Ever ask yourself why they did not abandon the Alamo? No horses.
Go back to December of the previous year. San Antonio and the Alamo had just been surrendered by General Martin De Cos. Dr. James Grant came up with the idea to capture Matamoros. On Dec. 30, 1835, Grant took 200 men from the rebels along with most of the supplies and men on a filibustering expedition to capture Matamoros. On January 4, 1836, Colonel James Neil reported that he had 104 men but they lacked food and clothing.
7th grade hostory lesson plan
Go back to December of the previous year. San Antonio and the Alamo had just been surrendered by General Martin De Cos. Dr. James Grant came up with the idea to capture Matamoros. On Dec. 30, 1835, Grant took 200 men from the rebels along with most of the supplies and men on a filibustering expedition to capture Matamoros. On January 4, 1836, Colonel James Neil reported that he had 104 men but they lacked food and clothing.
7th grade hostory lesson plan
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:28 pm to Loup
I hadn't heard that. I guess I know what I'll be reading/researching on my next flight.
I thought perhaps you might be thinking of the Goliad Massacre. ("Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! God and Texas!")
400+ Texian POWs were executed by the Mexican Army on Santa Anna's orders.
I thought perhaps you might be thinking of the Goliad Massacre. ("Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! God and Texas!")
400+ Texian POWs were executed by the Mexican Army on Santa Anna's orders.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:25 pm to RollTide1987
Just do it. (Nike slogan actually comes from this)
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