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re: Oil suffers record plunge below $11 amid historic glut

Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:45 pm to
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:45 pm to
I’m hearing at least four hedge funds blew up which is why we now have a massive glut oil flooding the market.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:46 pm to
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I'm guessing their deal didn't cut production by enough.


Too little too late. They had the opportunity for a cut when they met earlier this year, they declined to do so and pretty much shot themselves in the face. They agreed to what amounted to a nominal cut at an emergency meeting a couple of weeks ago. The market brushed it off.

Could this have been avoided on the supply side? Maybe, or at least mitigated. But there's no way anyone could have foreseen the rapid demand destruction caused by the Covid19 response.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40408 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:46 pm to
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I already said I'm on call doing work for pads that I wont see drilled.



Design all the wells with a SF of zero. What do you have to lose?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:46 pm to
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They lost control of the outcome when the global pandemic happened.




I want to know more about why the hell the timing of this feud of theirs had to line up with the start of a global pandemic. There wasn't a way for them to just keep the status quo until the world wasn't on fire?

I know that probably came across as extremely naive, but it seems like they committed suicide with their moves to ramp up production, and to what ends?
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
65143 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:47 pm to


I go way back with the DE. He would drive across houston and come to my residence. He came to our crawfish boil last sat
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
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40408 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:48 pm to
Their feud started long before the pandemic and they were already sending prices to dangerously low levels. They had no way of knowing the pandemic would come along and destroy demand on the oil they had already devalued the price of.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36430 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:49 pm to
Is this the equivalent of the financial/housing crisis for bear sterns and Lehman bros for Houston and Louisiana?
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:50 pm to
gotcha, so basically since it costs money to store oil that is why the price is negative. damn
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41372 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:50 pm to
Not sure. Hopefully not
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:51 pm to
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is somebody about to make a shitload of money stockpiling

No, it can't be stored that's why they are literally paying for it to be taken off their hands but it has to be processed.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:52 pm to
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Their feud started long before the pandemic and they were already sending prices to dangerously low levels. They had no way of knowing the pandemic would come along and destroy demand on the oil they had already devalued the price of.




alright

I admit the first time I was clued into this whole deal was like early March when Saudi Arabia announced they were ramping up production to choke out the market. I don't know much about the background of this issue past that point.
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
92934 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:52 pm to
Trying to climb out of the hole.

Only down $23.50 now.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:53 pm to
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There wasn't a way for them to just keep the status quo until the world wasn't on fire?

I know that probably came across as extremely naive, but it seems like they committed suicide with their moves to ramp up production, and to what ends?


This is probably going to get me banned but, here it goes...

Saudis and Russians are quite possibly the most unscrupulous motherfrickers on the planet and IMO, most Middle Easterners I've dealt with in this business are stupid spoiled brats. There's an old saying from some Saudi oil sheikh that goes like, "my grandfather rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Mercedes, but my grandson will ride a camel" - meaning those goat frickers will absolutely piss away the good thing they have going by living in extreme excess. As long as they can keep importing Instagram models to service them and their camels at parties, they absolutely do not give a frick what happens.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58847 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:53 pm to
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Should we actually all run out and put barrels in our garage? What does this mean on a day to day level?


Barrels of what? Do you have a well in your backyard?
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40408 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:53 pm to
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I admit the first time I was clued into this whole deal was like early March when Saudi Arabia announced they were ramping up production to choke out the market. I don't know much about the background of this issue past that point.



It all started when the Chinese economy didn't meet forecast and they caused the first dip in global demand. The three big producers, KSA, Russia, US got into a production war of sorts and the US never stood a chance to compete.

So once again, China fricked us.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
41455 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:54 pm to
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RummelTiger


If 08 got banned can I have his TD t-shirt?? That’s what he would want
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:54 pm to
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meat forecast


I love unintentionally funny typos

But yeah if the world could go ahead and break up with China, that would be fan-fricking-tastic.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Member since Aug 2004
92934 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:54 pm to
This used to work pretty well back in the day...

Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:55 pm to
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Barrels of what? Do you have a well in your backyard?


You fill a 50gal barrel with 42 gallons of oil duh
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:55 pm to
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This. It's like working at Target in Las Vegas and being giddy that all the casinos suddenly close down. Too stupid to realize the impact it'll have on everything around you locally, regionally, and nationally.


Your comparison would have made sense... 20 years ago.

Those hotels don’t depend on their casinos anymore. Their biggest money makers are food. Then live events. Vegas learned from the Great Recession about putting all your eggs in one basket. Houston learned back in the 70s and made the necessary changes in the 80s

Louisiana is a failure because it’s leadership is made up of failures. It’s leadership is made up of failures because it’s people are failures. Until you change your people, you will continue to be failures.

You can be mad at me, downvote me all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that what I just said is correct and deep down, you know I’m right. Focus your anger on the solution now that you know the problem.
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