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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/22/14 at 3:50 pm to TOKEN
Posted on 3/22/14 at 3:50 pm to TOKEN
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Yes. Hidden at bottom of ocean. The simplest answer is pretty much always the correct one.
Probably this...
I don't don't doubt this, but that is just the answer to the first question. Now we need to know why is it there there, if accident was it pilot error or equipment malfunction/design issue. If not an accident was it pilot suicide or hijacking, did they act alone?
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 4:29 pm to EA6B
I honestly don't believe we'd find out if it was a hijacking at this point.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 4:31 pm to jmarto1
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hijacking at this point.
the cockpit voice recorder would have that info.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 4:34 pm to Napoleon
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the cockpit voice recorder would have that info.
Isn't it on a constantly erasing loop that only covers the last two hours? That's the way it used to be unless something's changed. With data storage so cheap, there's no reason for it to still be that way, but inertia being what it is, they may not have changed. If it's only two hours, whatever happened won't be on there. There may not be anything at all, if they're all dead or unconscious by that time.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:02 pm to Jim Rockford
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Isn't it on a constantly erasing loop that only covers the last two hours? That's the way it used to be unless something's changed. With data storage so cheap, there's no reason for it to still be that way, but inertia being what it is, they may not have changed. If it's only two hours, whatever happened won't be on there. There may not be anything at all, if they're all dead or unconscious by that time.
Privacy issues with Pilots not wanting all of their conversation recorded by their employer.
In the future they may come up with some compromise.
Our company vehicles have these on dash cameras watching the driver ,but it's supposedly only 8 seconds before & 8 seconds after an impact. Although potholes , bumps, curbs makes it go off & record the driver it's supposedly not for watching/listening to drivers.
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:14 pm to sugar71
I think we find debris today. Whether it's the plane or not, who knows?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:39 pm to OldHickory
I think the plane was hijacked, then shot down and nobody is saying anything about it because they don't want to admit it.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:46 pm to Jim Rockford
I thought I read 25 hours for both, but come to think of it I have seen that two hour figure for the voice recorder/
Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:24 pm to Napoleon
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I thought I read 25 hours for both, but come to think of it I have seen that two hour figure for the voice recorder/
No. 2 hours voice recorder because of Pilot privacy issues.
That's why it's said that even if the "Ghost Plane" theory is correct that the voice recorders will yield nothing , but 2 hours of silence(outside of computer warnings/yoke),etc...) If the plane flew for 4 or 5 hours with no one at the controls. Unless the info on the Black box plus silence on the VR leads them to the deduction it was a 'ghost plane'.
If they can find even some of the plane the NTSB/BEA(French) investigators are excellent & will be able to give us a good clue of what happened.
The documentary ,Lost:The Mystery of Flight 447 shockingly solved the Air France crash unofficially without the Voice recorder/Black box . They knew it wasn't a bomb/explosion , but a huge 'belly flop' into the Ocean for some reason. They deduced that the plane air speed sensors weren't working briefly & the Pilots probably stalled the Plane somehow & unable to recover.
After the Black Box & Recorder were recovered the investigators were proven to be 100% correct about what happened . Young Junior Pilot stalled into a 35,000 feet 'belly flop' when the Captain stepped away for 8 minutes. The documentary & Final Report were then updated.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:33 pm to sugar71
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No. 2 hours voice recorder because of Pilot privacy issues.
Which are bullshite. A bank employee has cameras on them all day. Many employees do, even the person who takes your order at Taco Bell.
But a pilot with hundreds of lives in his hands has to be worried about privacy?
After this incident I almost want cloud based cameras on them at all times.
May have helped with the Air France flight too.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:48 pm to EA6B
The pilots took it to Pakistan and landed it. Why fly it 6+ hours only to ditch in the ocean.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:01 pm to kywildcatfanone
I think it was hijacked with the intention to land.
Our government thinks it went south.
I hope that it was a mechanical failure, though for our nations largest airplane manufacturer that is bad news.
(because of the extent and type of this failure)
Our government thinks it went south.
I hope that it was a mechanical failure, though for our nations largest airplane manufacturer that is bad news.
(because of the extent and type of this failure)
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:02 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:To secretly kidnap the cloaking specialists who were aboard the plane.
The pilots took it to Pakistan and landed it. Why fly it 6+ hours only to ditch in the ocean.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:03 pm to sugar71
From Boeing website- DFDR is for 25 hours. CVR is only 2
"Today all Boeing current-production models use DFDR systems, which will store 64 12-bit words per second (wps) over a 25-hr period in electronic memory. At the end of the 25 hours, the DFDR will begin recording the most recent data over the oldest data. No tape removal is required with these systems. Each of these systems on every Boeing model (except the 777) have at least two data frames that are transmitted from the DFDAU to the DFDR"
"Today all Boeing current-production models use DFDR systems, which will store 64 12-bit words per second (wps) over a 25-hr period in electronic memory. At the end of the 25 hours, the DFDR will begin recording the most recent data over the oldest data. No tape removal is required with these systems. Each of these systems on every Boeing model (except the 777) have at least two data frames that are transmitted from the DFDAU to the DFDR"
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:08 pm to Napoleon
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I think it was hijacked with the intention to land.
That's where the shoot it down theory comes into play for me. Then again, I also think Flight 93 was shot down and a feel good story put in place.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:10 pm to jmarto1
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I also think Flight 93 was shot down and a feel good story put in place.
I can see that.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:18 pm to Napoleon
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I also think Flight 93 was shot down and a feel good story put in place. I can see that.
I would agree that its possible, but how do you explain Todd Beamer calling his wife, saying that they were going to attempt to take the plane?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:23 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Does the guy in the flight simulator look like he is sick of doing these little cameos? He looks completely over the whole thing. Rolling his eyes, looks like he's got somewhere else to be. 
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:26 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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I would agree that its possible, but how do you explain Todd Beamer calling his wife, saying that they were going to attempt to take the plane?
Never said they didn't try. Our gov't would take out the plane regardless. Assuming they did take the plane, why not get on the radio and ask how to turn on the auto pilot to land? Someone on that plane had to know that the plan pretty much flies itself these days.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 7:28 pm to jmarto1
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I also think Flight 93 was shot down and a feel good story put in place.
Wouldn't there have been debris everywhere had it been shot down?
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