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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:36 am to Napoleon
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:36 am to Napoleon
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At this point, KAL 007 contacted Tokyo air traffic control requesting clearance to ascend to a higher flight level for reasons of fuel economy; the request was granted, so the Boeing started to climb, gradually slowing as it exchanged speed for altitude. The decrease in speed caused the pursuing fighter to overshoot the Boeing, an action that was interpreted by the Soviet pilot as an evasive maneuver. The order to shoot KAL 007 down was given as it was about to leave Soviet airspace for the second time. At around 18:26 UTC, under pressure from General Anatoly Kornukov, Commander of Sokol Air Bases on Sakhalin, and ground controllers not to let the aircraft escape into international airspace, the lead fighter was able to move back into a position where it could fire two Kaliningrad K-8 air-to-air missiles at the plane
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I heard of it but never read about it
Read this...there's more truth here.
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:39 am to Topwater Trout
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JAX is an expert on radar, from what I've gathered, so I trust his opinion
That was my apparently quite poorly made point. Hence the JUST KIDDING part. I was attempting to be sarcastic. Sorry if it didn't come across that way.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:40 am to Napoleon
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But couldn't a flight maybe slip by the radar of a lessor nation? Say Bangladesh? Pakistan?
It could slip through to countries who aren't very self defensive and don't care who enter their airspace. But I still don't buy into following another aircraft.
These pilots were randomly put on this flight together. I don't think they would be that good to time it just right and get behind an aircraft like that.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:40 am to Napoleon
Pakistan and India have top notch air defense systems
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:42 am to SSpaniel
No I understood that. He has gone over this topic more than once 
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:43 am to Topwater Trout
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India
Probably.
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Pakistan
The Osama raid says otherwise.
Obviously it was a military operation, but it doesn't bode well for a "top notch air defense system."
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:45 am to slackster
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The Osama raid says otherwise.
Obviously it was a military operation, but it doesn't bode well for a "top notch air defense system."
Not a fair comparison; comparing a Spec Ops raid with choppers vs. a 777
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:46 am to Napoleon
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Malaysian Airlines was sent a message from the plane 12 minutes before the last transmission as all updates to flight computer are sent to airline - CNN on flight sim
Also pretty damning that both screens do show the intentions of the autopilot in Magenta and the way point previously designated as a dashed line. So the co-pilot and pilot (if not incapacitated) should have known the turn was inputted. Malaysian air should have known the turn was inputted.
Malaysian ATC should have interrogated why Transponder was off.
So many issues with everything.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:48 am to slackster
The actual quote I heard yesterday was they have the best air defenses in the world. Can't remember if it was FAA or US military that said that. Either way their defenses must be pretty damn good to say that.
I think sending in a few low flying helicopters is diff than a 777
I think sending in a few low flying helicopters is diff than a 777
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:48 am to JAXTiger16
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I've operated older radars on the p-3 Orion used in the 70's. It's all the same, raw radar looks just like any other one but sometimes the resolution is a little better.
My uncle was an AWACS operator for years and says it "highly unlikely" but "plausible" only because of the technology of other nations. He was saying that some may just not be paying close enough attention. His theory is hijack suicide, southern ocean.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:51 am to JAXTiger16
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These pilots were randomly put on this flight together.
This is another head scratcher.
If this is true that one operated alone, then only one pilot was able to fly the plane. Then it would likely be the co-pilot. Who really isn't being looked at.
It's just crazy.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:03 am to Napoleon
Had they flown together previously?
I would imagine they have.
I would imagine they have.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:04 am to Napoleon
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If this is true that one operated alone, then only one pilot was able to fly the plane. Then it would likely be the co-pilot. Who really isn't being looked at.
It wouldn't be hard for the pilot to fly the plane alone. Usually, one does landing while the other does takeoff. I don't understand this at all either. Idk what the pilot would've done to the other. Slip something in his drink? Lock him out of the cockpit?
This plane is either at the bottom of the ocean or in a hangar somewhere on a remote island. Either way, there's a low chance of ever finding it or knowing what exactly happened.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:05 am to JAXTiger16
Jax I value your perspective.
I have a question that maybe you can answer. Is the radar data by interpretation?
Hearing about the Taiwanese radar makes me think that all of the date is being interpreted and may not be correct.
Who is analyzing the raw data?
I have a question that maybe you can answer. Is the radar data by interpretation?
Hearing about the Taiwanese radar makes me think that all of the date is being interpreted and may not be correct.
Who is analyzing the raw data?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:05 am to TOKEN
have they still not found this damn plane??
crazy shite that a plane can 'go dark' like this with the 500,000 gps antenna shite attached to it.
why do planes have a 'kill switch' for the pilot to use with transponders in the first place? i mean its not like these are going into combat and need to hide from radar.
crazy shite that a plane can 'go dark' like this with the 500,000 gps antenna shite attached to it.
why do planes have a 'kill switch' for the pilot to use with transponders in the first place? i mean its not like these are going into combat and need to hide from radar.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:05 am to JAXTiger16
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These pilots were randomly put on this flight together.
Or it was a greater conspiracy to put the two willing pilots on the same flight.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:06 am to Napoleon
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his is another head scratcher.
If this is true that one operated alone, then only one pilot was able to fly the plane. Then it would likely be the co-pilot. Who really isn't being looked at.
It's just crazy.
Well, I would guess something as planned out as this could have been just a plan in waiting for the right circumstances (them being assigned together)....basically, have it all planned out and wait patiently for all of a group of circumstantial criteria to happen..
I think this situation is more believable than one pilot acting alone.
How far in advance are pilots given their schedules/crew assignments? And, if they didn't act alone, would someone else have plenty of time to buy a ticket and get on that flight to work the plan?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:06 am to Camp Randall
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Or it was a greater conspiracy to put the two willing pilots on the same flight.
or these guys have been waiting a long time for the chance to be on the same plane and simply executed a long running plan.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:10 am to CAD703X
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why do planes have a 'kill switch' for the pilot to use with transponders in the first place? i mean its not like these are going into combat and need to hide from radar.
Since 9-11 this is the most mind boggling part of all this...I bet it changes
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:12 am to TigerFred
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Who is analyzing the raw data?
A human would be. There is always a possibility of human error. As a radar operator, when I'm looking for aircraft, I would have the antenna pointed in the air to detect them.
The radar operator usually has an IFF receiver which means he picks up the "4 digit squawk". If their not squawking, then I would just see a blip on the screen. And that usually raises a red flag because all civilian aircraft are required to squawk. So for me, I would notice and would expect most countries to also.
You raised a good point in human error though. We are trained that it cause the most mistakes and mishaps in aviation.
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