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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:45 am to Traffic Circle
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:45 am to Traffic Circle
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Is there a scenario where a government would want to keep it quiet that it crashed or landed?
If they didn't want the world to know how poor their primary radar systems are. If a country can't detect a 777 coming in, then they have problems..
If they have an issue with a neighboring country, and that neighbor has planes. Then it would show an obvious weakness for invasion or attack.
Again, just an answer to the question. Not THE answer.
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:46 am to whodatfan
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Its being loaded with WMD for a planned terrorist attack.
Intelligence community hasn't ruled this out but they have stated it would be a new way if conducting terrorism because there was no chatter before or after the plane went missing. Doesn't mean they aren't being honest with the public though.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:47 am to Napoleon
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If they didn't want the world to know how poor their primary radar systems are. If a country can't detect a 777 coming in, then they have problems..
Damn...we agree
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:49 am to Napoleon
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Truthfully there are a lot of reasons. But one thing in landing.. If you are not 100% sure...Go Around.
I'm surprised we even landed (at DFW) during that awful storm. But I was very relieved to get the hell off that plane. Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:52 am to Napoleon
What if the shoe bomb Hijacker that was warned about a week before this incident is involved?
What if men had shoes with bombs in them and took control?
I saw a couple of agencies. FOX Gateway News Austrailia
From what I gather from the on ground reports in Malaysia this is an actual thought of many there. Or at least that it has been hijacked.
One negative of this incident, is that so many now know that you can easily turn off a transponder and radio.
What if men had shoes with bombs in them and took control?
I saw a couple of agencies. FOX Gateway News Austrailia
From what I gather from the on ground reports in Malaysia this is an actual thought of many there. Or at least that it has been hijacked.
One negative of this incident, is that so many now know that you can easily turn off a transponder and radio.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:53 am to Topwater Trout
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Intelligence community
I find this an amusing name also an oxymoron.....while our intel folks do some very good things most of them are hindsight intelligent.....like us
Sorry for the
but 
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:56 am to supadave3
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That exact same thing happened to me a few years ago on a SW flight into Denver. It was an evening flight. I wonder if we were on the same flight.
It was in early July 2011 I think. From Spokane to DEN.
Edit: Or maybe it's common there, with the elevation, the airport's location on the plains with the mountains x-miles away, something happens on hot days? Who knows.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:58 am to Wtodd
I don't get mad at emoticons.
I think we would be amazed at how much shite they know about... I just don't think they can know about everything.
I think we would be amazed at how much shite they know about... I just don't think they can know about everything.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:59 am to LSUJuice
I have flown a TON in my life, domestically & internationally, and I've never had a pilot do a fly around. Lucky I guess.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:59 am to LSUJuice
Can we agree to drop the damn "following another plane in or cloaking itself on radar flying behind another jet" theory.
IT CAN"T HAPPEN! All the jets today have collision avoidance systems that warn them when an object is near then enabling them to avoid a mid air collision. THey would know another jet is behind them.......
ANy experts?, isn't this correct?
IT CAN"T HAPPEN! All the jets today have collision avoidance systems that warn them when an object is near then enabling them to avoid a mid air collision. THey would know another jet is behind them.......
ANy experts?, isn't this correct?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:00 am to LSUJuice
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Edit: Or maybe it's common there, with the elevation, the airport's location on the plains with the mountains x-miles away, something happens on hot days? Who knows.
I have seen a show about the turbulence coming off the mountains. Hot air mixing with cool air isn't good .
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:01 am to GeeOH
It can happen just not very plausible
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 10:01 am
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:02 am to GeeOH
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IT CAN"T HAPPEN
Implies that you are 100% positive therefor you were screaming it to the mass'
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isn't this correct?
Leads me to believe you have no freaking clue what you're talking about when it comes to this topic.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:03 am to GeeOH
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Can we agree to drop the damn "following another plane in or cloaking itself on radar flying behind another jet" theory.
Can't you have a terrorist on a flight from Paris to New York voluntarily turn off tracking over the ocean somewhere, and have the fake plane 'take it's place' on the radar screens?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:05 am to Napoleon
More info about deleted data. From CNN
I will also say that having remote airport landings isn't an issue. In many ways a Flight Simulator is a video game and it's fun to be challenged. Most user of FSX have done remote landings, and even the tutorial is full of them.
SO this still may mean squat, but I would investigate any really remote ones in range.
So at least we are in charge of figuring out the simulator angle.
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Investigators looking at the flight simulator taken from the home of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah have discovered that some data had been erased from it, Malaysia's acting transportation minister said Wednesday.
Hishammuddin Hussein didn't say what had been deleted, but simulation programs typically store data from previous sessions for later playback. He also did not say who might have deleted the data.
The deletions are not necessarily evidence of ill intent: Removing files from a computer is usually an innocent act repeated millions of times a day around the world.
I will also say that having remote airport landings isn't an issue. In many ways a Flight Simulator is a video game and it's fun to be challenged. Most user of FSX have done remote landings, and even the tutorial is full of them.
SO this still may mean squat, but I would investigate any really remote ones in range.
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Experts are examining the simulator in hopes of recovering the deleted data, Hishammuddin said. A law enforcement source told CNN Wednesday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is examining the hard drive.
So at least we are in charge of figuring out the simulator angle.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:07 am to GeeOH
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Can we agree to drop the damn "following another plane in or cloaking itself on radar flying behind another jet" theory.
IT CAN"T HAPPEN! All the jets today have collision avoidance systems that warn them when an object is near then enabling them to avoid a mid air collision. THey would know another jet is behind them.......
ANy experts?, isn't this correct?
At this point ANYTHING is possible and if you're only wanting "serious" theories, then tell us what constitutes a "serious" theory and then we'll decide if we agree....deal?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:09 am to Traffic Circle
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Can't you have a terrorist on a flight from Paris to New York voluntarily turn off tracking over the ocean somewhere, and have the fake plane 'take it's place' on the radar screens?
If they matched transponder frequencies and answered all communication queries as the aircraft they were taking the place of. Then without visual identification, there really isn't a way to tell.
I'm sure you couldn't be a Gulfstream and pretend to be a 747, but a similar plane? Sure.
Though say you called in as Delta 557, and Then say Virgin 356 saw you and called in that you weren't who you said you were. I think you would be intercepted quick.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:10 am to Traffic Circle
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Can't you have a terrorist on a flight from Paris to New York voluntarily turn off tracking over the ocean somewhere, and have the fake plane 'take it's place' on the radar screens?
Hmmmm... If this is possible, that's kinda
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:12 am to Napoleon
This was an interesting thread until people started acting like dicks, as if only seasoned pilots or people in that industry should be allowed to post here.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:14 am to GeeOH
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IT CAN"T HAPPEN! All the jets today have collision avoidance systems that warn them when an object is near then enabling them to avoid a mid air collision. THey would know another jet is behind them.......
The radar in a jetliner is based on the transponder. It knows what plans are around you based on the transponder.
When in the air you may hear the comms say "SWA traffic Piper 6 o clock 1 mile flying 10,000 feet" and then usually a jetliner pilot will reply "I got him on my box" meaning they are already seeing the plane as it is broadcasting it's location.
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While larger civil aircraft carry weather radar, sensitive anti-collision radar is rare in non-military aircraft.
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a Traffic alert and Collision Avoidance System (TCAS), which actively interrogates the transponders of other aircraft and negotiates collision-avoidance tactics with them in case of a threat. TCAS systems are relatively expensive, and tend to appear only on larger aircraft. They are effective in avoiding collisions only with other aircraft that are equipped with functioning transponders with altitude reporting.
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a Terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS) uses a digital terrain map, together with position information from a navigation system such as GPS, to predict whether the aircraft's current flight path could put it in conflict with obstacles such as mountains or high towers, that would not be detected by GPWS (which uses the ground elevation directly beneath the aircraft).
LINK
So no, it isn't correct.
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