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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:37 am to
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:37 am to
They could have tried sending text messages
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:41 am to
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"Bout to board the plane, got my new Jordan Shoe Bombers on... Wish me luck"


That's funny as hell!!!
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 10:41 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:41 am to
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Do the pilots have the ability to manually depressurize the cabin?


Better, more simplistic question is, do the Pilots have the ability or access to shut down the phones???

I know in regards to the video systems and the likes on those planes, they don't come available until a certain altitude is reached. Is that done by the crew or is it automatically triggered? If the former, I would think the Pilots could just flip the switch and not have to worry about it.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:41 am to
I think the shoe bombers wear air husseins
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:44 am to
I don't believe the suicide theory. If he wanted to kill himself why murder 239 other people while your doing it? And if he's a devout Muslim (yeah I know) Allah don't like either murder or suicide.
Posted by Marty McFrat
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:45 am to
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True, but what are thinking you will find? I doubt anyone had any reason to suspect anything. And I doubt anyone involved is gonna tweet.... "Bout to board the plane, got my new Jordan Shoe Bombers on... Wish me luck"


Exactly my thoughts. If someone tweeted some suspicious before the flight it would've already came to light. Someone "checking" in before a flight gives us nothing
Posted by cabinuga
Athens, GA
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:46 am to
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I don't believe the suicide theory. If he wanted to kill himself why murder 239 other people while your doing it? And if he's a devout Muslim (yeah I know) Allah don't like either murder or suicide.


LINK

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The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recorded the Captain excusing himself to go to the lavatory, followed thirty seconds later by the First Officer saying in Egyptian Arabic "Tawkalt ala Allah", which translates to "I rely on God." A minute later, the autopilot was disengaged, immediately followed by the First Officer again saying, "I rely on God." Three seconds later, the throttles for both engines were reduced to idle, and both elevators were moved three degrees nose down. The First Officer repeated "I rely on God" seven more times before the Captain suddenly asked repeatedly, "What's happening, what's happening?" The flight data recorder reflected that the elevators then moved into a split condition, with the left elevator up and the right elevator down, a condition which is expected to result when the two control columns are subjected to at least 50 pounds (23 kg) of opposing force. At this point, both engines were shut down by moving the start levers from run to cutoff. The Captain asked, "What is this? What is this? Did you shut the engines?" The First Officer did not respond. The Captain repeatedly stated, "Pull with me" but the FDR data indicated that the elevator surfaces remained in a split condition (with the left surface commanding nose up and the right surface commanding nose down) until the FDR and CVR stopped recording. There were no other aircraft in the area. There was no indication that an explosion occurred on board. The engines operated normally for the entire flight until they were shut down. From the presence of a western debris field about 1,200 feet (370 m) from the eastern debris field, the NTSB concluded that the left engine and some small pieces of wreckage separated from the airplane at some point before water impact.


EgyptAir Flight 990 - Oct. 31, 1999
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 10:47 am
Posted by AUcs13
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:47 am to
Actually by the videos he liked on his youtube channel he seems to be an atheist.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:49 am to
Most people were sound asleep at 1:30am. The plane was dark and silent with little to any flight attendant activity.

That being said, how does a plane change course like that undetected by at least one member of the flight attendant crew?
Posted by Krokodil
Member since Dec 2013
852 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:50 am to
One of the Iranians posted this on his facebook LINK
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 10:50 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:51 am to
I wasn't referring to every instance bu you kind of made my point. Even if 1 of pilots wanted to kill himself, the other could "try" to prevent it. Plus the other one wouldn't have shut off the transponder or stop communicating with the towers. We'll probably never know but this was just my opinion.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:56 am to
How about this, cell phone related...

Pilots work on turning off transponders, etc right after leaving Malaysian air space. Put on oxygen masks. then do some procedures that pressurized the cabin, which takes oxygen out which takes out most of the passengers. After that cluster is over, there would be no reason to expect dead passengers to make calls/posts online.

Just basically saying, you do something that kills everyone and most problems solved
Posted by MrBiriwa
Biriwa,OH
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:56 am to
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One of the Iranians posted this on his facebook LINK



So him posing in front of one of the most known buildings in the world is "chilling"? Kid was not involved in what what happned. That article is grasping at invisible straws.



Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27462 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:59 am to
I am guessing that the ALL communications were cutoff by pilots before transponder was switched off...so no phone access for anyone.

If they did depressurize the plane, wouldn't oxygen masks drop for everyone?
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:00 am to
quote:

How about this, cell phone related...

Pilots work on turning off transponders, etc right after leaving Malaysian air space. Put on oxygen masks. then do some procedures that pressurized the cabin, which takes oxygen out which takes out most of the passengers. After that cluster is over, there would be no reason to expect dead passengers to make calls/posts online.

Just basically saying, you do something that kills everyone and most problems solved


OK let's fly (no pun) with this theory: where could you fly a 777 undetected or uncloaked?
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 11:00 am
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51395 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:00 am to
I was on a flight from istanbul and over Europe we diverted our course almost 90 degrees and flew that route for almost an hour. I was nervous for a little bit. It looked like we may have been avoiding some weather or some mountain ranges. Pilot never said anything and we just banked and went back on our course. So its not entirely out of question they could divert form their path and no one say something.

Worst thing about Turkish Airlines, the pilots don't say shite over the intercom. US pilots always let you know whats going on.
Posted by Krokodil
Member since Dec 2013
852 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:00 am to
but but but hushed whispers and stolen passports
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:06 am to
The longer this goes without finding the aircraft, the more likely its at the bottom of the ocean IMO.

Our satellites (and China's) are ALL OVER other countries and their airfields/airports right now. We are pulling information from every ground asset all over the globe to check for any information regarding this.

If nothing comes from any of that, I just can't see how this plane could be on land safely somewhere.

Would a bad electrical storm cause the communication/transponders to shut off/malfunction? That could also cause GPS malfunction maybe? Maybe a couple really bad lightning strikes?

Are there pirates in those oceans that might've taken the debris?

I just can't fathom a giant, full 777 just vanishing. At least with the Air France flight they knew it crashed and the general location.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 11:09 am
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
Member since Nov 2007
5165 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:08 am to
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Cell Phones don't work at 30,000 feet 200 miles from the closest cell tower. They just don't work without a signal from a tower and the signals can only travel so far.
I know some of you will still at me but I still think they should check passenger cell phones for GPS tracking.

Here's a bit about how GPS works in cell phones:
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GPS, the Global Positioning System run by the United States Military, is free for civilian use, though the reality is that we're paying for it with tax dollars.

However, GPS on cell phones is a bit more murky. In general, it won't cost you anything to turn on the GPS in your cell phone, but when you get a location it usually involves the cell phone company in order to get it quickly with little signal, as well as get a location when the satellites aren't visible (since the gov't requires a fix even if the satellites aren't visible for emergency 911 purposes). It uses up some cellular bandwidth. This also means that for phones without a regular GPS receiver, you cannot use the GPS at all if you don't have cell phone service.
But some do have GPS receivers!
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For this reason most cell phone companies have the GPS in the phone turned off except for emergency calls and for services they sell you (such as directions).

This particular kind of GPS is called assisted GPS (AGPS), and there are several levels of assistance used.

GPS

A normal GPS receiver listens to a particular frequency for radio signals. Satellites send time coded messages at this frequency. Each satellite has an atomic clock, and sends the current exact time as well.

The GPS receiver figures out which satellites it can hear, and then starts gathering those messages. The messages include time, current satellite positions, and a few other bits of information. The message stream is slow - this is to save power, and also because all the satellites transmit on the same frequency and they're easier to pick out if they go slow. Because of this, and the amount of information needed to operate well, it can take 30-60 seconds to get a location on a regular GPS.

When it knows the position and time code of at least 3 satellites, a GPS receiver can assume it's on the earth's surface and get a good reading. 4 satellites are needed if you aren't on the ground and you want altitude as well.

AGPS

As you saw above, it can take a long time to get a position fix with a normal GPS. There are ways to speed this up, but unless you're carrying an atomic clock with you all the time, or leave the GPS on all the time, then there's always going to be a delay of between 5-60 seconds before you get a location.

In order to save cost, most cell phones share the GPS receiver components with the cellular components, and you can't get a fix and talk at the same time. People don't like that (especially when there's an emergency) so the lowest form of GPS does the following:

Get some information from the cell phone company to feed to the GPS receiver - some of this is gross positioning information based on what cellular towers can 'hear' your phone, so by this time they already phone your location to within a city block or so.
Switch from cellular to GPS receiver for 0.1 second (or some small, practically unoticable period of time) and collect the raw GPS data (no processing on the phone).
Switch back to the phone mode, and send the raw data to the phone company
The phone company processes that data (acts as an offline GPS receiver) and send the location back to your phone.
This saves a lot of money on the phone design, but it has a heavy load on cellular bandwidth, and with a lot of requests coming it requires a lot of fast servers. Still, overall it can be cheaper and faster to implement. They are reluctant, however, to release GPS based features on these phones due to this load - so you won't see turn by turn navigation here.

More recent designs include a full GPS chip. They still get data from the phone company - such as current location based on tower positioning, and current satellite locations - this provides sub 1 second fix times. This information is only needed once, and the GPS can keep track of everything after that with very little power. If the cellular network is unavailable, then they can still get a fix after awhile. If the GPS satellites aren't visible to the receiver, then they can still get a rough fix from the cellular towers.
So you see, some cell phones don't require a cell tower to get GPS locations.
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In the higher end phones with a full GPS receiver you may even be able to load your own software and access it, such as with mologogo on a motorola iDen phone - the J2ME development kit is free, and the phone is only $40 (prepaid phone with $5 credit). Unlimited internet is about $10 a month, so for $40 to start and $10 a month you can get an internet tracking system. (Prices circa August 2008)

It's only going to get cheaper and more full featured from here on out...
at me all you want, I still believe it's something the authorities should check, especially with no other recourse available to them.
Posted by cabinuga
Athens, GA
Member since Aug 2013
39 posts
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:13 am to
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Would a bad electrical storm cause the communication/transponders to shut off/malfunction? Maybe a couple really bad lightning strikes?


According to reports, there was no adverse weather in the area at the time.

Also, the data monitoring system and transponder were shut off 14 minutes apart (1:07 AM and 1:21 AM). I'm not completely sure, but the transponder appeared to be shut off at around the time that the plane was being transferred from Malaysian ATC to Ho Chi Minh ATC, which is very suspicious. All signs point to the shut downs as being manually performed by someone on the plane.
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