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Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:03 am to Salmon
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Oh I know.
I could eat nothing but homegrown veggies and grass feed beef that I raise myself.
But if I ate 6000 calories worth and sat in front of my computer all day, I’d be a fat frick.
True but you are ignoring the secondary effects of eating a diet of animal proteins and fruits and vegetables. People get satiated easier and consume less over all calories as a result when compared to sugars. And that doesn’t even start on the addictive nature of sugar.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:04 am to lsupride87
It should be easy to lose weight when you’re eating a lot of fast food. You know exactly how many calories you are ingesting.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:04 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Truth.
People get satiated easier and consume less over all calories as a result when compared to sugars. And that doesn’t even start on the addictive nature of sugar.
That is a large factor.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:05 am to lsupride87
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You don’t need to try and impress us with talking about the .1% of the rule
What? You think that its just .1% of people who have prolonged metabolic dysfunction?
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For 99.9% of people that are obese, if they are 2,000 calories a day of McDonald’s only the weight would fly off of them
Again, are you determined to misread the entirety of what I said? In the management of obesity, the approach has to be one that treats it as a long-term illness with high remission rates, because adipose tissue is an endocrine organ, and it causes dysfunction beyond just a thermodynamic calculation. To be clear, I'm not denying that there isn't a direct thermodynamic component, I'm suggesting that metabolic homeostasis is exceedingly sensitive and operates beyond direct thermodynamic calculation.
You guys keep wanting to individualize a population-scale illness, which is nonsensical.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:06 am to Salmon
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Yes. We eat more carbs. I’m aware.
Now do sugar, fat, total calories, and fruits and vegetables.
Sugar is a carb, btw.
That’s the biggest culprit in my eye — it’s added to everything and the effects of sugar intake on our bodies is detrimental.
I remember seeing about 8 years ago that for the first time, Americans were drinking more of their daily caloric intake than they were eating…and we’re not eating less…
Overall you can blame the food companies sure, but the average American has very, very low food IQ, and no desire to learn. Blaming food companies for obesity is like blaming gun companies for gun violence. That Twinkie is no more shoving itself down someone’s throat than that gun is killing someone on its own.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:06 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Correct
It should be easy to lose weight when you’re eating a lot of fast food. You know exactly how many calories you are ingesting.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:06 am to redstick13
quote:it should but wfh will cause people to gain weight because they’re not putting on real clothes every day
Shouldn't the WFH model encourage families to cook more healthy meals at home?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:06 am to Street Hawk
I heard some comments from coworkers about a certain woman who comes and goes in our office being so skinny. I stated she falls in her ideal body weight range. My obese coworkers were silent and did not respond. 
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:07 am to crazy4lsu
We are so far behind the eight ball here that there is no real way to correct this situation anymore.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:07 am to Scruffy
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I am very tired of seeing new onset diabetes in children.
This is child abuse.
Its also a pressing national security issue. The military can work with stupid but not fat and stupid.
In addition to 9 to 10 weeks of boot camp, for overweight recruits there will be a two week period at the training site to detox them, get them on a regular diet and sleep schedule and introduce (some for the first time in their life) to exercise. Those that are believed to be ready for boot camp will move on, if not you stay another two weeks.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:08 am to Antonio Moss
I’m not ignoring it.
But for truly obese people, simple calorie reduction is what is needed to facilitate weight loss.
Lose some weight, then we can start talking about macros and body composition and hormonal stimulus and all that.
But for truly obese people, simple calorie reduction is what is needed to facilitate weight loss.
Lose some weight, then we can start talking about macros and body composition and hormonal stimulus and all that.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:08 am to CoyoteSong
quote:i kind of did this when I worked in a corporate office. people would be talking about how skinny I was and I’d say I’m actually near the top of what’s considered a healthy bmi
heard some comments from coworkers about a certain woman who comes and goes in our office being so skinny. I stated she falls in her ideal body weight range. My obese coworkers were silent and did not respond.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:10 am to ibldprplgld
quote:Because we are so worried about fat and carbs and sugar etc etc instead of portions and calories
Overall you can blame the food companies sure, but the average American has very, very low food IQ, and no desire to learn.
Our grandparents ate sweets, they ate fat, etc. They just ate less of it. They didn’t worry about carbs or fat free anything
Look at thin European countries. They eat what they want as well. They just have tiny portions compared to us. People try to over complicate weight gain to either make themselves feel better or to profit off of others.
It’s simple, eat less calories than you burn. Now once your weight is in control and you want to improve BP or cholesterol etc, sure, then drill down on macros because you have proven you can handle the simple chore of not being fat first
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:10 am to Lakeboy7
quote:even though I’d be past the normal draft age, I assume I’d have to join if a real world war happened because there’s so many worthless fat retards in the 18-25 range
In addition to 9 to 10 weeks of boot camp, for overweight recruits there will be a two week period at the training site to detox them, get them on a regular diet and sleep schedule and introduce (some for the first time in their life) to exercise. Those that are believed to be ready for boot camp will move on, if not you stay another two weeks.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:11 am to Salmon
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I like how they include “fruit juice” with our increased fruit consumption.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:13 am to GreatLakesTiger24
It is eating patterns for sure. My grandkids eat yogurt, oatmeal (not package sugary kind), eggs,
and fruits (all of them) for breakfast. Lunch and dinner is meat and veggies (all of them). These are the same things my children grew up on and still eat and they are not overweight.
It is a huge difference between that and sugary cereals, doughnuts, eggo waffles, etc for breakfast. Then pizza, chicken nuggets, and macaroni and cheese for dinner. It is so aggravating the amount of the population that eats NO fruits and veggies only carbs. My husband included
He will also grab a preservative laden chemical tasting sweet treat over a home baked one every time. I think this is the problem. It is a habit/learned behavior.
and fruits (all of them) for breakfast. Lunch and dinner is meat and veggies (all of them). These are the same things my children grew up on and still eat and they are not overweight.
It is a huge difference between that and sugary cereals, doughnuts, eggo waffles, etc for breakfast. Then pizza, chicken nuggets, and macaroni and cheese for dinner. It is so aggravating the amount of the population that eats NO fruits and veggies only carbs. My husband included
He will also grab a preservative laden chemical tasting sweet treat over a home baked one every time. I think this is the problem. It is a habit/learned behavior.This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:15 am to Salmon
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But for truly obese people, simple calorie reduction is what is needed to facilitate weight loss.
Your take is so oversimplified that it’s borderline incorrect.
Yes, the ultimate goal is caloric reduction but the chances of achieving that are almost zero in a carbohydrate heavy diet. Compliance rates will plummet if people are constantly hungry and feel like shite all the time.
I can’t think of a single person I know who has achieved any level of substantial weight loss on a carbohydrate heavy diet.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:15 am to The Top G
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How do you explain construction sites, other physical labor jobs, and kids then?
I think it's both lifestyle and diet, but today it's pretty common to go past a road crew and the guy holding the stop sign is also looking at his phone. And there are some "physical" jobs that are actually very sedentary, like trucking. I don't think you'll see many fat farmers, though. Or even package delivery guys (the ones who drive the truck, grab the packages, run them to the doors, all day every day). That is, a job where you really are physically active all day, and cannot be glued to your phone, probably does help keep you thinner.
And kids cuts against you, not for you. Kids spend way, way less time outside today and way, way, way more time sitting and looking at screens. Kids ate shitty diets when I was a kid--sugary cereals, donuts, mcdonalds, taco bell, etc. There was less awareness of "healthy diets" then, not more. But, we didn't carry in our pockets an addictive little "sit down and stare at me" machine. Also, our parents didn't have their own machines, so they paid more attention to what we were doing and when we were too hyper they said "go outside and play." Now mom, dad, and kid can all just sit and look at their phones.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:17 am to lsupride87
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Our grandparents ate sweets, they ate fat, etc. They just ate less of it. They didn’t worry about carbs or fat free anything
This is simply false.
Our grandparents did not eat nearly the level of processed foods that American eat today. Like not even in the same stratosphere.
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