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re: Obesity rates in the US have tripled in just one generation

Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:16 am to
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:16 am to
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There is no evidence that it is or was a factor though.


What are you talking about? That’s just flat out wrong

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A landmark study published today calls into question the U.S. government's official dietary guidelines, enshrined in the food pyramid. For a decade, the government has advised Americans to stay away from fat and eat a diet based largely on carbohydrates. But as NPR's Richard Knox reports, a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition shows the pyramid and other official guidelines are most likely obsolete.

The Food Guide Pyramid is an American icon. At the base are breads, cereal and pasta -- up to 11 servings a day. Veggies and fruits are next, with two-to-five servings. As the pyramid narrows, it suggests eating fewer dairy products, eggs and meat servings. At the tip are fats and sweets -- to be used "sparingly." As sensible as it may sound, Walter Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health says the food pyramid is "a license to overeat."

"I think the pyramid is so out of sync with scientific evidence that it almost has to be totally dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up," says Willett.

To Willett, the pyramid's problem is that it assumes that only fat calories can make people fat. "And the reality is, it's too many calories from whatever the source, whether they be from carbohydrates or from fat," Willett says.


And, like I said. It wasn’t the only reason, just a contributing factor based on pseudo science. A whole “diet” industry was created based on the pseudo science

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But she says the food pyramid and official guidelines alone are not to blame for American obesity.

"I think we're giving the pyramid too much credit, that people are actually following it to the letter and that's why we're getting fatter," she says. "I think there are a lot of reasons why we're getting fatter. I also think a whole industry was spawned on low-fat food, so people could consume fat-free brownies, fat-free ice cream, fat-free cookies, and that really has contributed to the increased caloric intake, the increased carbohydrates and the increase in obesity."


NPR- 2002
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 8:18 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:19 am to
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People want to blame food ingredients and play the victim but it is a huge increase in sedentary lifestyles that has lead to this.


Food ingredients/portion sizes/USDA recommendations are at least 70-75% of the problem. You can also throw in issues with excess prescription medication and other chemical intake.

Sedentary lifestyles are an issue but it’s not like the average 40 year old was burning a significant amount of excess calories compared to a 40 year old today.

There have been recent articles that suggest that average activity/exercise is higher now than 40 years ago with worst results.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:22 am to
Bingo, its mostly food related. And technology isnt a big part of that. This problem was growing way before smart phones and internet at our fingertips.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
906 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:25 am to
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Half of these posts turn into “BMI isn’t applicable to me because it doesn’t apply well to NFL running backs” and statements of “I would look like a survivor of Auschwitz if I was a healthy BMI”.


My sib-in-law tried to have an elective surgery done. He has a BMI of 50! His dr denied him the surgery because he needs to be below 35. He's about 5-10 btw. His excuse for not trying to get down to 35 is BMI is bullshite and if he got down to 35 he would lose all fat and almost all muscle to get there. This was posted to his FB and almost 50 posts followed agreeing BMI is bullshite and the Dr was in the wrong.

Should add he posts almost every other week that he is sick with something but can't be told it's bc he's fat as frick.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 8:26 am
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:26 am to
Around 10 years ago a few places in the US tried to place limits on the amounts of sugary drinks a person could purchase. I remember there being a big discussion on this very site and almost everyone was against it.
Posted by r0cky1
Member since Oct 2020
4063 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:28 am to
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Thats what happens when you have 201,865 Fast Food Restaurants businesses in the US as of 2023. Eta 201,865 ÷ 50 = 4037.3 restaurants per state



Don’t blame capitalism. Blame the consumer
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
74925 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:29 am to
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Around 10 years ago a few places in the US tried to place limits on the amounts of sugary drinks a person could purchase. I remember there being a big discussion on this very site and almost everyone was against it.
Restrictions might help, but that won’t have a lasting impact.

People need to have consequences for their actions.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281857 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:30 am to
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Sedentary lifestyles are an issue but it’s not like the average 40 year old was burning a significant amount of excess calories compared to a 40 year old today.




Its recommended that adults get in at least 10,000 steps a day, modern adults get a third of that. Inactivity is definitely part of the problem.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:32 am to
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People need to have consequences for their actions.


I'm open to a fat tax based off BMI.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48702 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:35 am to
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I remember there being a big discussion on this very site and almost everyone was against it.



Still against it.

Actual, legal solutions:

(1) Limit items purchased through food stamps/other subsidizing government programs to staple, whole foods

(2) significantly reduce government subsidized medical coverage for obesity related illness

(3) completely revamp public school lunch offerings

Instead of giving government more power they’ll just abuse to death, how about we get government out of the business of promoting obesity through our tax dollars?
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
6188 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:36 am to
Fast Food is not food
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
65901 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:37 am to
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Conspiracy theory alert!!!

The US government created the food pyramid to fatten up the population. A fat and lazy population, is a controllable population


More likely it was created at the behest of some lobby that wanted people to eat more grains or less meat. Government rarely does something purely for the good of the people, but the real motivations aren't purely sinister. It's usually about money and retaining control. They don't care if it helps or hurts people, as long as it helps them.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
74925 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:38 am to
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Instead of giving government more power they’ll just abuse to death, how about we get government out of the business of promoting obesity through our tax dollars?
Agree.

I also believe weight should be a factor in determining health insurance cost. You are charged more if you are an unhealthy weight.

It isn’t a pre-existing condition and is largely controllable.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85096 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:38 am to
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What are you talking about? That’s just flat out wrong


sigh

Nothing in your article proves that we followed the food pyramid.

I’m not arguing that the food pyramid is “good science” or even good nutritional advice.

We eat more of everything (except fruits and veggies). Saying we eat more carbs therefore we should blame the food pyramid, while we ignored all their other parts of the pyramid is simply silly.

That’s my point.

Lane Norton has a bunch of articles debunking this myth if you are truly interested FWIW.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 8:42 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48702 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:39 am to
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Its recommended that adults get in at least 10,000 steps a day, modern adults get a third of that. Inactivity is definitely part of the problem.


Fair but we are comparing today to 1987. I seriously doubt the average adult was getting 10,000 steps a day in 1987.

It’s been pretty clear for a while that exercise is unbelievably healthy for you but you really can’t out exercise bad eating habits.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
74925 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:39 am to
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We eat more of everything (except fruits and veggies).
also completely true.

Food portions in the states are insane.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
65901 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:44 am to
Whatever, bro. I'm 5'7" and 230. I'd look like a walking skeleton if I got down to 200!!
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37688 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:44 am to
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(2) significantly reduce government subsidized medical coverage for obesity related illness



This is insane. Obesity, given its remission rates, should be treated with a medication and compliance strategy similar to cancer medications. Adipose tissue is an endocrine organ, and thus we should treat its unchecked proliferation with similar compliance strategies, because as yet, compliance strategies in clinical settings have fallen short.

Once you reach overweight status, it becomes incredibly difficult to manage it individually, as the clinical setting of patients with obesity includes a myriad of other conditions that come with serious complications, from increased stress on joints to a constellation of metabolic dysfunction. And given that obese people can still live after being obese, which differentiates it distinctly from cancers, this solution won't solve anything.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
39798 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:44 am to
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also believe weight should be a factor in determining health insurance cost. You are charged more if you are an unhealthy weight.


This needs to happen yesterday. This was also brought up in the old sugary drink discussion from 10 years ago. Yet here we are fatter than ever and nothing has changed.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
20500 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:45 am to
Youngest son has been living in Japan for 5 years now, happily married with a new daughter & he's not coming home. Have visited him 2 times now & what stands out with re to this subject is that the Japanese' s diet is so much healthier. But what really hits home is the general population is so much more active; older men & women riding bikes are everywhere, like, everywhere. The walkers are very numerous as well & they are borderline power walkers. Food portions are not like here in that you get a lot more smaller portions, 4-5-6, as opposed to an entree & 1-2 sides here. But the biggest thing I saw is that they are so much more active physically. In a crowd of 50, you might see 2 obese people at most, usually not even that many.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 1:49 pm
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