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re: NYTimes with a great op-ed on the First Amendment
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:16 pm to Martini
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:16 pm to Martini
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In essence he doesn’t want to make something “custom” for a gay couple. And he shouldn’t have to.
I have said this all along. Bakers should argue that they are not discriminating against any customer. They will sell cakes to gay couples or anyone else. However, they will not make a cake celebrating a gay wedding. Regardless of who wants to purchase that item, it is not available They do not carry gay wedding cakes.
It is a product that they are unwilling to provide. No problem at all with not carrying a product someone wants. Go to another vendor that provides that product.
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:21 pm to Packer
I know local bakers who won't do Bama cakes.
I wonder if they can get sued.
My wife (a, part time baker) did a Bama cake for a relative bandwagon Tide fan. Pretty and Crimson with a lot of work on the elephant and houndstooth trim.
Then she made the inside of the cake purple and gold.
Trolled the birthday boy. 99% of the guests were LSU fans.
I wonder if they can get sued.
My wife (a, part time baker) did a Bama cake for a relative bandwagon Tide fan. Pretty and Crimson with a lot of work on the elephant and houndstooth trim.
Then she made the inside of the cake purple and gold.
Trolled the birthday boy. 99% of the guests were LSU fans.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:25 pm to OweO
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The same sex marriage people are going to go buy a cake whether he sells it to them or not, he is only hurting himself by not being the one to sell to them... Idiot.
Riveting thought, I doubt he ever thought about that.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:31 pm to UpToPar
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What an incredibly stupid view.
How is that an incredibly stupid view?
Like someone pointed out, he has been in business since the 70s so evidently he doesn't need same sex marriage people's business. But I am looking at it from the point of... A business's goal is to make as much money as possible. Gay people don't just up and decide to be gay.. It's who they are..
In his mind, it's moral to not serve people because of who they are? I don't give a shite, he could do whatever he wants, but I just think its stupid.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:43 pm to RedRifle
He should just make the cake and jizz in the batter. Win win.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:45 pm to OweO
Wondering why this guy doesn’t just make the shittiest looking worst tasting cake to ever come out of a bake shop for the gay wedding?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:45 pm to Packer
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Read the article, he isn't gay. He's a baker who refuses to make cakes for same sex weddings, divorce parties, etc because they are against his moral convictions
And theres not a damned thing wrong with that. Its a privately held/owned business and its nobody elses business what he does. That Colorado court is full of shite.
And why would these queers want to give him their business?
If they want to get married then fine. They should keep their weird assed shite to themselves.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:46 pm to OweO
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A business's goal is to make as much money as possible.
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OweO
Is it? May wanna tell all of the businesses out there like Tom’s and Chik-Fil-A who knowingly eat into their margins for socially important reasons (to the business).
Some people are perfectly happy with where they are as business owners. Not everyone out there in business for themselves is Gordon Gekko, dumbass.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:48 pm to OweO
frick you
Just because you stand for nothing doesn't everyone else has to
Just because you stand for nothing doesn't everyone else has to
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:07 pm to Martini
quote:I agree with the article, but I disagree with this view. I don’t think businesses should have the right to discriminate against doing businesses with certain classes of people. Or to say it another way, I think everyone should have the right to shop anywhere they damn well please and not have to worry about not being able to enter a store because of their gender or race or whatever. Sure the business itself might be private, but the business owner is availing himself of public utilities and roads that all of us pay for.
As a private business owner he should be able to do business with whomever he deems fit.
And any gay person has the right NOT to do business with him.
I’m sure there are gay bakers that will bake for straight couples and straight bakers that will bake for gay people.
YellowPages-let your fingers do the walking. Not everything deserves to be a viral issue.
But I think there is a difference between 1) not wanting to make gay wedding cakes (which is a 1st amendment issue) and 2) not allowing gay people to buy from you (discrimination issue), He is doing #1, not #2. So I think Colorado is wrong here.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:09 pm to OweO
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It's a business. He should sell to two sheep if they have the money to buy something.. The same sex marriage people are going to go buy a cake whether he sells it to them or not, he is only hurting himself by not being the one to sell to them... Idiot.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:11 pm to Martini
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As a private business owner he should be able to do business with whomever he deems fit.
And any gay person has the right NOT to do business with him.
This rings true for so many things in our lives. I wish people would stop forgetting it.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:17 pm to Cold Drink
I agree with you on all points
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:37 pm to RedRifle
Leftist liberals going off the deep end yet again. These morons should really think before they speak. There's no way anyone in their right mind would force an African American baker to bake a kkk cake or a Jewish baker to bake a cake with a nazi swastika for some neo nazi jackasses. These idiots don't think about repercussions of their asinine requests.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:05 pm to Cornholio
If they rule against the baker in this particular situation, I think the first move is to order a custom swastika cake from the pro gay bakeries. Let's see just how hippocritical we can get.
Disclaimer: I am not anti gay, I'm against the censure of any artistic expression. I may not agree with a persons choices or opinions, but they have the right to have those. Even if they are hippocritical or misguided.
Disclaimer: I am not anti gay, I'm against the censure of any artistic expression. I may not agree with a persons choices or opinions, but they have the right to have those. Even if they are hippocritical or misguided.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:15 pm to Cold Drink
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Sure the business itself might be private, but the business owner is availing himself of public utilities and roads that all of us pay fo
The business owner pays corporate taxes as well as private taxes (assuming he lives in the town) as well as property taxes (assuming he owns the building)
There are many companies and individuals I don’t do business with for any number or reasons and it’s my decision. It’s not retail but it is private business and my private business and good or bad the decision is mine. Public money is a different scenario.
Why would a gay couple want to give the guy business if he doesn’t want it? Do like me if I don’t like it. Call him an a-hole and go find someone else. There are ways to handle situations without turning everything into a Supreme Court argument and most level headed people understand this. And frankly people are just tired of having everything rammed down their throats and are standing up.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:31 pm to Cold Drink
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But I think there is a difference between 1) not wanting to make gay wedding cakes (which is a 1st amendment issue) and 2) not allowing gay people to buy from you (discrimination issue), He is doing #1, not #2. So I think Colorado is wrong here.
I think that’s a very important distinction in this case.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:07 am to Martini
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The business owner pays corporate taxes as well as private taxes (assuming he lives in the town) as well as property taxes (assuming he owns the building)
There are many companies and individuals I don’t do business with for any number or reasons and it’s my decision. It’s not retail but it is private business and my private business and good or bad the decision is mine. Public money is a different scenario.
Why would a gay couple want to give the guy business if he doesn’t want it? Do like me if I don’t like it. Call him an a-hole and go find someone else. There are ways to handle situations without turning everything into a Supreme Court argument and most level headed people understand this. And frankly people are just tired of having everything rammed down their throats and are standing up.
I agree with you generally, but as much as I support a free market I also support the right of everyone to participate in that free market. Allowing businesses to exclude serving certain classes of people infringes on those individual’s right to participate in the marketplace.
If you don’t want to let someone in your private home, that’s one thing. But once you participate in the public commercial sector then you can’t then start proscribing which members of the public you do and do not serve. After all, there’s only a limited number of physical locations for businesses, and it’s not in any of our interest for those spots to be taken up by dumbasses who won’t let anyone in because they’re queer/female/white/black/mexican, etc... A homophobic bakery might not seem like a big deal - and it isn’t - but the problem becomes more complex if it’s, say, a “whites only” grocery store at the only feasible location for a grocery store to make a decent profit in area.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:12 am to OweO
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A business's goal is to make as much money as possible.
You think country bars are gonna start catering to the hip hip crowd? Or a gay bar is gonna have straight ladies night? Or a strip club is gonna have church night?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:14 am to Cold Drink
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- but the problem becomes more complex if it’s, say, a “whites only” grocery store at the only feasible location for a grocery store to make a decent profit in area.
So like whole foods?
Businesses catering to a specific market isn't a new thing. This guy isn't saying gays aren't allowed. He just will not create a custom cake that goes against his beliefs.
I don't get the outrage here.
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