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re: NYT has a feature up about the Louisiana coast. Pretty interesting.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:09 am to fischd1
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:09 am to fischd1
It doesn't need to be diverted. It needs to be cut loose completely. Basically we need to get rid of all the levees and let it do its thing if we really are trying to be serious about coastal restoration.
Another aspect of this that doesn't get nearly as much attention is the death of the swamps. Lack of seasonal flooding is destroying the swamps which are becoming shitty old bogs
Another aspect of this that doesn't get nearly as much attention is the death of the swamps. Lack of seasonal flooding is destroying the swamps which are becoming shitty old bogs
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:10 am to SamuelClemens
Years ago "experts" like these reached an insane conclusion that a hurricane would swamp New Orleans (Hurricane Pam, and they were right)
Now we are getting a new group of experts. The problem is real. Instead of saying ther is no ocean rise, we should be looking for solutions. As a poor state, we can't afford $480,000 to relocate everyone who will loose their home in the next 50 years. To have the community of Jean Lafite spend all that money (some of it state money) on a town that won't be there in 50 years is pointless. Our congressmen, governor need to be actively pushing the 50/100 year plan (open the levee south of New Orleans, embrace new flood zones, etc).
Plan for the higher water that's coming.
Now we are getting a new group of experts. The problem is real. Instead of saying ther is no ocean rise, we should be looking for solutions. As a poor state, we can't afford $480,000 to relocate everyone who will loose their home in the next 50 years. To have the community of Jean Lafite spend all that money (some of it state money) on a town that won't be there in 50 years is pointless. Our congressmen, governor need to be actively pushing the 50/100 year plan (open the levee south of New Orleans, embrace new flood zones, etc).
Plan for the higher water that's coming.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:13 am to Cosmo
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:16 am to LSUTigersVCURams
In talking about diversions...the Trump administration told the federal agencies to speed up the review process on one that would help protect Lafite.
Why wouldn’t the NYT report that?
Also, way back pre Katrina there was talk of a Levee that would connect with the levees in Larose and Lafite to protect the entire area. But some government pencil pusher wanted the levee further back.
Even further back in the way back in the political dream machine someone wanted to build a road between Larose and Lafite. That would have been nice cutting a trip to New Orleans in about the same time it takes to get to Houma. Also, if built on the ground it could be elevated and act as a levee.
We also have to remember water seeks its own level. If you stop it from going in one place, it will go to another. So if water can’t go up the Harvey canal, it is bound to go to Lafite. Shame on the Army Corps of engineers for not trying to come up with a protection plan for every one and keep the water out completely.
On the West Bank, instead of building nearly a hundred miles of levees in a ring, and spent millions on a wall and gates in the Harvey Canal only to build a gate further down, why didn’t they try to protect Lafite and build further south in the Marsh an connect Belle Chase with Larose south of the Intracostal. Now that is what I call protection.
Just for what they spent on the gates and walls along the Harvey canal they could have built a decent levee for Lafite.
Why wouldn’t the NYT report that?
Also, way back pre Katrina there was talk of a Levee that would connect with the levees in Larose and Lafite to protect the entire area. But some government pencil pusher wanted the levee further back.
Even further back in the way back in the political dream machine someone wanted to build a road between Larose and Lafite. That would have been nice cutting a trip to New Orleans in about the same time it takes to get to Houma. Also, if built on the ground it could be elevated and act as a levee.
We also have to remember water seeks its own level. If you stop it from going in one place, it will go to another. So if water can’t go up the Harvey canal, it is bound to go to Lafite. Shame on the Army Corps of engineers for not trying to come up with a protection plan for every one and keep the water out completely.
On the West Bank, instead of building nearly a hundred miles of levees in a ring, and spent millions on a wall and gates in the Harvey Canal only to build a gate further down, why didn’t they try to protect Lafite and build further south in the Marsh an connect Belle Chase with Larose south of the Intracostal. Now that is what I call protection.
Just for what they spent on the gates and walls along the Harvey canal they could have built a decent levee for Lafite.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:19 am to Cosmo
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Why is land not being lost along the AL and FL gulf coast? Shouldnt sea level rise take land everywhere?
One paragraph in that article blamed the levee system.
They mentioned global warming and rising sea levels like 5 times
A) Land is being lost in those states. The sea has risen by 5 inches since 1900. We can dispute the reasons, but that's a fact.
B) Sea level rise isn't the only issue costing land in LA, but it matters too.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:29 am to slackster
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A) Land is being lost in those states. The sea has risen by 5 inches since 1900. We can dispute the reasons, but that's a fact. B) Sea level rise isn't the only issue costing land in LA, but it matters too.
These are the correct responses. The rise is really only noticeable in low lying areas at high tide in most places. Here is Louisiana though, that rise has to be coupled with subsidence. Even roads in coastal marsh areas are a foot deep at high tide. Moving people at a half million a pop is moronic. I would imagine that we could use imminent domain rates on what’s actually left of the property and let them move elsewhere on their own accord. Maybe that would be more feasible. Just my .02.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:30 am to Tarps99
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We also have to remember water seeks its own level. If you stop it from going in one place, it will go to another. So if water can’t go up the Harvey canal, it is bound to go to Lafite. Shame on the Army Corps of engineers for not trying to come up with a protection plan for every one and keep the water out completely.
Every gate, wall, and levee is going to push water somewhere else. You keep one community dry, you increase the flood potential of another.
Much of south Louisiana was settled as fishing communities and oil field towns that were built in the middle of wetlands. You can’t levee the whole thing off without seriously impacting the hydrology. The only real solution would be to have all buildings elevated or on barges.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:32 am to Cosmo
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I understand is easier to blame the big bad corporations than government.
Army Core of Engineers are F'in useless.
They always made the dumbest choice, couple years ago, they had a choice, let a town that's already evacuated and flooded take on 6 more inches of water, or Flood and ruin 1000's of acres of fertile farm land and a small town.
They decided that destroying another town and farmland was much better.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:47 am to Cosmo
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Correct
Why is land not being lost along the AL and FL gulf coast? Shouldnt sea level rise take land everywhere?
I mean, you do understand that AL and FL, as well as TX are losing land, right? Ever been to the seawall at Galveston? There are roads which led to the beach in the 60's which are completely submerged. The fact that the places you go on vacation restore their beaches frequently may hide a lot of it.
The mangrove marshes in FL are just as bad off as our marshes here. The west coast of FL is in best shape, as they don't have the wave action other places do, and they frequently restore the coast.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:55 am to Lakeboy7
quote:No benefits were had by the employees or your friends in government right? Just evil corps doing their thing.
Nothing to see here, move along. Corporations are people.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:56 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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After years of laissez-faire regulation,
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:58 am to schwartzy
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he people of Pilottown
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:00 am to slackster
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The sea has risen by 5 inches since 1900
Where might this data exist - from a non agenda pushing entity
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:00 am to SeeeeK
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Army Core of Engineers are F'in useless.
Often times, I wonder if Congressional legislation basically turning USACE into a Federal Highway Administration-type model would do better...they would remain a skeleton of their present selves to administer funds, set standards, perform research; but otherwise, the states would have most of the power to take care of things (in our state's case, CPRA would need to grow tenfold, but at least they get some things done).
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:06 am to schwartzy
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the people of Pilottown
What people?
ETA: And for the people of Boothville, all you would need is a few 18 wheelers to move their trailers somewhere north.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:10 am to choupiquesushi
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from a non agenda pushing entity
Give us a list of those. I assume the NOAA, NASA, and the EPA are out? LSU and all universities out?
What are we down to, Alex Jones?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:19 am to Cosmo
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The biggest problem is the mississippi river levee and flood protection system which prevents silt entering marshes.
Which is government’s fault.
Look at a satellite map, the Atchafalaya delta and wax lake outlet are gaining land as silt is diverted there.
Sea levels are not rising. Land is simply being lost.
LSU did a study a couple of years back that basically said if tore down the levees and let the river crest and flood naturally, you would still have land erosion. Why? Because the soil teansported in the river is less than the soil lost to coastal erosion.
The root cause is all of the water control dams and weirs of the TVA and Ohio river valleys trapping silt that would get transported downstream. All that soil goes elsewhere instead of the LA coast.
Tldr: tearing down the LA levees will do nothing to help coastal erosion.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:20 am to tLSU
Yea baw all the science on global warming is a haox except the Watts’s up with that blog baw. Unless you a LIBRUL.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:28 am to NYNolaguy1
Right. Which is why all that shite needs to be torn down if we want to be serious about coastal restoration
Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:31 am to choupiquesushi
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Where might this data exist - from a non agenda pushing entity
This is based on tidal gauges.
5 inches was being conservative.
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