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re: NTSB releases 3D reconstruction of DC midair collision from last year
Posted on 1/27/26 at 6:03 pm to Shreve Perry
Posted on 1/27/26 at 6:03 pm to Shreve Perry
quote:
So, ATC "swung" what?
Not a pilot, but a novice, aviation nerd… If I remember correctly, the regional jet was on approach to land runway 1. Ground traffic or a slow departing aircraft had ATC adjust their arrival to 33 at the same time the helicopter was maneuvering around the park (when they lost sight)
Posted on 1/27/26 at 6:04 pm to CapitalTiger
But you say Helo was complacent?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 6:11 pm to FnTigers
quote:
DEI murdered those people.
... it was a planned hit,
they practiced for a month (November - December) at night to get it right.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:05 pm to bayou2
quote:
... it was a planned hit,
they practiced for a month (November - December) at night to get it right.
Who were they trying to kill, and why would a person important enough to assassinate be traveling on a shitty regional jet operated by a shitty regional airline?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:06 pm to FnTigers
quote:
DEI murdered those people.
And somehow the people on the same side will sue and win lol.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:13 pm to Tuscaloosa
... the intended target was the Russian ice skaters participating with an ice skating camp ,...
The camp was well advertised and drew in participants from great distances. The schedule of events were posted , like when the camp ended: time and dates --- all online Plenty of time to plan and coordinate such a hit.
This was not a coincidence, it was planned to great detail.
The camp was well advertised and drew in participants from great distances. The schedule of events were posted , like when the camp ended: time and dates --- all online Plenty of time to plan and coordinate such a hit.
This was not a coincidence, it was planned to great detail.
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:15 pm to RollTide1987
Sounds like the instructor was monitoring traffic and told the pilot to fly at that position.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:17 pm to RollTide1987
Guys I’ll just say one thing, we went into a foreign country and removed their dictator and his wife without losing a soul. Sure, we make mistakes but the issue here is we can clearly see who was at the sticks.
If 9 out of the other 10 pilots fly this aircraft, everyone lives.
This is what happens when you do “favors” for people based upon feeling and not reality of the job.
Women should not be anywhere near the front or in a combat or combat support role that involves others putting their lives in her hands. Eos.
If 9 out of the other 10 pilots fly this aircraft, everyone lives.
This is what happens when you do “favors” for people based upon feeling and not reality of the job.
Women should not be anywhere near the front or in a combat or combat support role that involves others putting their lives in her hands. Eos.
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:19 pm to Napoleon
Still, seems like looking both ways before crossing a runway at low altitude would be somewhere in flying 101 class?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:25 pm to DarkDrifter
quote:
Is there not collision warning systems in aircraft?
There is but it would be going off even if both the plane and helicopter were doing everything right. ADS-B may have helped.
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:34 pm to bayou2
quote:
... the intended target was the Russian ice skaters participating with a summer camp over the summer ...
You believe three military pilots were willing to die in a suicide mission to kill a group of ice skaters?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:37 pm to RollTide1987
Complete aviation amateur here, but it appears neither knew what hit them. Hell, I even knew what was coming, and I didn't see either of them from both perspectives until a split second before impact. It seems the plane couldn't see the help bc their light blended in with the rest of the lights behind them. So what happened? Is there a list of all the things that went wrong/failed?
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:44 pm to RollTide1987
Imagine if our government took the time to explain everything with the same detail as this video.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:45 pm to Tuscaloosa
... the woman pilot was recruited, the mechanic tech that was the passenger was her " handler ' to make sure the mission was carried out. THe actual pilot had no idea what was about to happen--- maybe he did just seconds before the actual crash, not sure. The piolet on the airline plane may have been in on this because of the last minute change with the runway, also the control tower person.
Planned to the last detail.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 7:52 pm to Bubb
From Reuters:
US safety board finds FAA failures led to fatal mid-air collision
By David Shepardson
January 27, 20266:55 PM CSTUpdated 52 mins ago
Summary
NTSB cites systemic issues, multiple errors in collision between regional jet and Army helicopter that killed 67
FAA rejected recommendations to move helicopter traffic away from airport
Justice Department has admitted federal liability in crash
WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board found on Tuesday that a series of systemic failures by the Federal Aviation Administration led to a devastating mid-air collision that killed 67 people last year.
The January 2025 collision between an American Airlines (AAL.O), opens new tab regional jet and an Army Black Hawk helicopter near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) was the deadliest U.S. aviation disaster in more than two decades.
The NTSB determined the accident was caused by the FAA's decision to allow helicopters to travel close to the airport with no safeguards to separate them from airplanes and its failure to review data and act on recommendations to move helicopter traffic away from the airport.
NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy said the airport's air traffic control tower personnel repeatedly sought to raise concerns only to get "squashed by management."
"This was 100% preventable," Homendy said. "There's definitely need for serious reform."
The board also cited failings in the Army safety culture and the Army pilot's failure to properly see and avoid the passenger airplane.
In December, the Justice Department said the federal government was liable in the crash due to the actions of the Army helicopter and the FAA air traffic controller.
The maximum altitude for the route the helicopter was taking was 200 feet (61 m), but the collision occurred at an altitude of nearly 300 feet.
HEARING SHEDS LIGHT ON FAA CULTURE
A hearing in Washington on Tuesday quickly turned into a lengthy rebuke of the FAA, shedding light on serious communication, culture and safety issues surrounding the 26th busiest U.S. airport which has the single busiest U.S. runway and is regularly used by members of Congress.
The FAA said it would diligently consider the recommendations and said after the collision the agency immediately acted to improve safety.
"We reduced the DCA hourly arrival rate from 36 to 26 and restricted helicopter traffic in the surrounding airspace," the FAA said, noting the arrival rate was currently set at 30.
The agency said it was now "acting proactively to mitigate risks before they affect the traveling public."
The NTSB displayed dramatic animation of the collision and some anguished families wearing photographs of their loved ones left the hearing room before it was shown.
Homendy said airlines had reached out to her to say "the next mid-air (collision) is going to be at Burbank, and nobody at FAA is paying attention." She added, "people are raising red flags."
The FAA said it had made changes around the airport in California. Reuters reported in October the FAA was scrutinizing airplane traffic flows around Hollywood Burbank Airport and Van Nuys Airport in the Los Angeles area, which are fewer than 10 miles (16 km) apart and serve a mix of aircraft with closely spaced arrival and departure paths.
RECOMMENDATIONS TO FAA
The NTSB made more than 30 recommendations to the FAA, citing a series of failures before the Washington crash. "They better do them all," Homendy said.
Since 2021, there had been 15,200 air separation incidents near Reagan airport between commercial airplanes and helicopters, including 85 close-call events.
The NTSB found issues with how the FAA handles traffic at Reagan and that it rejected advice to add hot spots to a helicopter route chart. Homendy said the FAA also did not review the helicopter routes annually as required and had routes that were not designed to ensure proper separation.
The NTSB also said the air traffic controller should have issued a safety alert, which "may have allowed action to be taken to avert the collision."
Homendy said a key safety system known as ADS-B In and Out could have given the passenger plane pilot an alert 59 seconds before the collision and the helicopter crew 48 seconds before. Lawmakers are trying to mandate the technology.
US safety board finds FAA failures led to fatal mid-air collision
By David Shepardson
January 27, 20266:55 PM CSTUpdated 52 mins ago
Summary
NTSB cites systemic issues, multiple errors in collision between regional jet and Army helicopter that killed 67
FAA rejected recommendations to move helicopter traffic away from airport
Justice Department has admitted federal liability in crash
WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board found on Tuesday that a series of systemic failures by the Federal Aviation Administration led to a devastating mid-air collision that killed 67 people last year.
The January 2025 collision between an American Airlines (AAL.O), opens new tab regional jet and an Army Black Hawk helicopter near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) was the deadliest U.S. aviation disaster in more than two decades.
The NTSB determined the accident was caused by the FAA's decision to allow helicopters to travel close to the airport with no safeguards to separate them from airplanes and its failure to review data and act on recommendations to move helicopter traffic away from the airport.
NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy said the airport's air traffic control tower personnel repeatedly sought to raise concerns only to get "squashed by management."
"This was 100% preventable," Homendy said. "There's definitely need for serious reform."
The board also cited failings in the Army safety culture and the Army pilot's failure to properly see and avoid the passenger airplane.
In December, the Justice Department said the federal government was liable in the crash due to the actions of the Army helicopter and the FAA air traffic controller.
The maximum altitude for the route the helicopter was taking was 200 feet (61 m), but the collision occurred at an altitude of nearly 300 feet.
HEARING SHEDS LIGHT ON FAA CULTURE
A hearing in Washington on Tuesday quickly turned into a lengthy rebuke of the FAA, shedding light on serious communication, culture and safety issues surrounding the 26th busiest U.S. airport which has the single busiest U.S. runway and is regularly used by members of Congress.
The FAA said it would diligently consider the recommendations and said after the collision the agency immediately acted to improve safety.
"We reduced the DCA hourly arrival rate from 36 to 26 and restricted helicopter traffic in the surrounding airspace," the FAA said, noting the arrival rate was currently set at 30.
The agency said it was now "acting proactively to mitigate risks before they affect the traveling public."
The NTSB displayed dramatic animation of the collision and some anguished families wearing photographs of their loved ones left the hearing room before it was shown.
Homendy said airlines had reached out to her to say "the next mid-air (collision) is going to be at Burbank, and nobody at FAA is paying attention." She added, "people are raising red flags."
The FAA said it had made changes around the airport in California. Reuters reported in October the FAA was scrutinizing airplane traffic flows around Hollywood Burbank Airport and Van Nuys Airport in the Los Angeles area, which are fewer than 10 miles (16 km) apart and serve a mix of aircraft with closely spaced arrival and departure paths.
RECOMMENDATIONS TO FAA
The NTSB made more than 30 recommendations to the FAA, citing a series of failures before the Washington crash. "They better do them all," Homendy said.
Since 2021, there had been 15,200 air separation incidents near Reagan airport between commercial airplanes and helicopters, including 85 close-call events.
The NTSB found issues with how the FAA handles traffic at Reagan and that it rejected advice to add hot spots to a helicopter route chart. Homendy said the FAA also did not review the helicopter routes annually as required and had routes that were not designed to ensure proper separation.
The NTSB also said the air traffic controller should have issued a safety alert, which "may have allowed action to be taken to avert the collision."
Homendy said a key safety system known as ADS-B In and Out could have given the passenger plane pilot an alert 59 seconds before the collision and the helicopter crew 48 seconds before. Lawmakers are trying to mandate the technology.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 8:19 pm to Bubb
Said it multiple times when the accident occurred and argued with people here. What fool thinks it’s a good idea to have the air traffic crossing like that at the same time in similar altitude. The flight path of the military helo was set up for a human failure to occur. You create a different route around and you stick with it every time. No reason to ever have them cross near each other within 300-500 ft of altitude. It’s like having interstate lanes cross each other , wh e depending upon a traffic cop and all drivers to avoid collisions. It will work for a while , but it only takes one of those humans to fail to cause a collision. My guess is that the had multiple near misses each year as well.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 8:32 pm to Shreve Perry
quote:ATC.
what's the disconnect here? Her, instructor, ATC
They put 2 aircraft on plane (altitude) and path. You never do that, particularly since one is a helo they can be ordered to slow until the plane is well clear.
Posted on 1/27/26 at 8:37 pm to michael corleone
I’ve never understood why the helicopter traffic “had” to be across the runway of an airport ever, especially at night
Posted on 1/27/26 at 9:03 pm to bayou2
quote:
... the woman pilot was recruited, the mechanic tech that was the passenger was her " handler ' to make sure the mission was carried out. THe actual pilot had no idea what was about to happen--- maybe he did just seconds before the actual crash, not sure. The piolet on the airline plane may have been in on this because of the last minute change with the runway, also the control tower person. Planned to the last detail.
The last minute runway change was a routine occurrence.
To clarify, you believe at least two people were willing to kill themselves for the purpose of murdering a group of… ice skaters?
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