re: NOLA council votes to remove the Monuments- Discussion thread

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WWL-TV ?@WWLTV 57s58 seconds ago
Anti-monument speaker: The energy around this conversation has been troubling. We haven't acknowledged the suffering of people of color...

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I think that comes from bullets.

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Imagine if they held this meeting at like...7pm.

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I get the impression the um diversity of the crowd may be different if it were after working hours. The timing of this during working hours tells you all you need to know about who they are pandering to.

You'd probably also have a lot more taxpayers telling their govt bow to spend their money if the meeting were past 5pm.

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He said the Pentagon is prepared to file suit to protect those three monuments

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I hope that's accurate, but I wouldn't put it past the kangaroo court in the white house getting involved.

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WWL-TV ?@WWLTV 2m2 minutes ago
Pro monuments speaker: The statues represent what we were and the progress we've made. It's called history. You can't re-write history.

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We ain't got time for facts.

I could care less either way, but I think it is the right decision ultimately.


If anyone is triggered by all of this between the two of us, it is most certainly you

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Mullet Flap

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Why aren't you at the meeting eating those free cookies paid for by the taxpayers?

Here's the thing...statues to military heroes and national leaders were very popular in the 1800s in Western world. Look at NYC, DC, Philly, New Orleans, Paris, London, etc. For many reason, it was the thing to do as industry and nation building took more of a modern form.

This trend coincided with industrial revolution and modernization of cities and incorporated more centralized, master planning.

For example, Trafalgar Square in London was completed in 1840 to commemorate the The Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. Could you argue that other events or people in long history of Britain are more deserving of such prime real estate and preservation that the Battle of Trafalagar? Maybe so, but that was not the decision at the time and now it's quintessential London.

So, given that many large cities essentially established or solidified the backbones of their traffic and urban grids and also incorporated statues of heroes from the 1800s or before, those individuals chosen at the time, became part of the landscape of many modern cities. These guys, often military heroes from the 1700 and 1800s simply came at the right time in terms of enshrinement.

It gets subjective here, but I believe they are simply woven into the fabric of New Orleans, as they are in other cities, and to remove them and essentially removing history for some revisionist narrative, is tragic and reeks of fascist overtones. The city became a national player and experienced significant growth really beginning in the 1830s. That's when it really started to take it's modern form with the advent of industry, etc. From that point through reconstruction, the city's backbone was developed and incorporating statues and monuments was was common during the time.

Someone mentioned the Germans getting rid of Nazi art. Well, despite being an absurd comparison, the Nazi's also destroyed tributes to the past of their great cities and put in place Nazi symbols and tried to rewrite their past because Nazi's were fascists and that's what they do. Same logic applies to why ISIS is destroying antiquities.

Where does this stop? Rome was built questionable practices if judged by modern standards. Should the Colosseum become a point of shame because we're threatened by the past? That would be absurd. Are tributes to roman or Etruscan gods too threatening that they must be destroyed? Is the Colosseum a tribute to slavery and conquest or is it a treasure demonstrating our history as humans?

This is sad and pathetic.

Zinger! Posters here that complain about people at this meeting not having jobs are the same guys who spend their entire "work day" on TD.

The Burger King is now talking!