re: Nobody wants to work anymore

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You mean boomer propaganda?

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Your Hero Prez was propaganda?

And is this the excuse you all make to be weaklings? Mentally and physically

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Yea, it's usually easier to convince an org that doesn't know you to give you more money than the one who does, if you're a certain kind of employee.

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This is of course partially true. But it’s also true that it is human nature to find faults with the known commodity and think the unknown is better.

Couple that with mandatory HR policies that limit internal raises to an arbitrary low percentage instead of market value and you have a recipe for job hopping.

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Drastic cuts to the welfare state. Actual negative consequences are a great motivator. This country should try it sometime.

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You aren't understanding the problem lol.


There's like ~200 million working aged people in the country and there aren't anywhere close to 200 million decent jobs. Probably less than half of that number.

And that number has been shrinking for a long time and is only going to continue shrinking.

People being on welfare or not has relatively nothing to do with that number.

I’m ready for UBI and just chilling at the house these days. Better than getting raped on taxes.

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I think the biggest issue was no clearly defined reward plan. As in, you hit these goals, you get this much in raise, bonus etc. it was arbitrary and the managers very much controlled how the performance reviews went.

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You sound like you’re winning the fight for good employees by being a good place to work.

I completely agree that large company performance goals are almost entirely arbitrary and many times out of the employees control no matter what they do. The rise of “bonuses” for non-sales positions has contributed to this. Variable bonuses have become a way companies sell the employee on making X but then they claw it back for failing to meet some aggressive nearly impossible goal and many times that failure is due to a decision made by the company for the betterment of the whole but that favors one department over another. Managements favorites may get theirs under “extenuating circumstances” while everyone else gets hosed.

At a smaller company I was a Director at years ago, I once lost a “bonus” calculated on company profitability because the company decided to buy BMW’s for the VP’s, hand out huge discounts to customers in order to show increases in revenue, moved into a luxurious office 3 times too big for itself, and rented out an entire suite at the United Center for every Bulls and Blackhawks game. I was PISSED. Left shortly after.

Again, losing a bonus wouldn’t be so bad if it was truly “extra” in the first place. But the way bonuses are set up now is really just 20% of what your salary should/would be otherwise.

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I’m ready for getting raped

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Sounds about correct for you

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Salary bands are what happens when silent quitters demand equal outcome.

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Cart before the horse.

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This is nonsensical. Raise limits are a result of market values, otherwise known as salary bands.

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BS. If raise limits were based on market value, it wouldn’t be completely normal to get a 20+% raise just by switching companies every 2 years and doing the same job.

Raise limits are based on controlling company costs under the true assumption that not everyone will leave and therefore it’s cheaper to give current employees 2% while paying new hires 20% more.

Salary bands are what happens when a company wants to make sure nobody makes “too much”. Quiet quitters are what you get when someone maxes out the arbitrary band or is stuck with tiny raises and sees no benefit in doing anything extra because their pay won’t change much/any.

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I find this to be 100% true. Companies have no idea how to give the current generation a work life balance that works out for the company and the employee. It’s amazing to me that the 4 10s with 3 off hasn’t took off. Every company that has ever implemented or experimented with it has reported success of having low turnover and high morale.

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When I worked 4 10's, I never took a sick day. I never needed a vacation. I never felt like I had to take off work just to go to a doctor's appointment or do some kind of basic adult chore. I felt valued, productive, and never got sick of being at work. If someone offered me a job working 4 10's, and only 4 10's, that paid me enough to survive, I would take it. It could be the shittiest job in the world, and I would gladly take it and work it every goddamn day for the rest of my working life because that schedule just works so well.

They can't admit they spent most of their working careers wasting days and time. That would totally derail the boomer myth.