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re: No matter what about (man influenced) climate change, those claiming it are always right.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:26 pm to Purple Spoon
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:26 pm to Purple Spoon
quote:The goal is to go as long as possible without melting so much land ice that coastal cities are uninhabitable. We can do that by minimizing our changes to the environment.
Can anyone tell me what temperature the earth is supposed to be at? Is it supposed to be one constant temperature forever? Is it supposed to be cooler than we are now? Is it supposed tIs it supposed to be one constant temperature forever? Is it supposed to be cooler than we are now? Is it supposed to be warmer than we are now? If we want the earth to be cooler then how much cooler do we want it?
Is our goal to have the exact same weather patterns that we’ve had for the past 100 years to continue for all eternity? What is our goal? If not?
Try not to turn a 10,000 year natural process into a 300 year one.
The earth doesn't give a shite what the temperature is.
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Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:36 pm to Korkstand
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We can do that by minimizing our changes to the environment.
Cool, we’re already doing that. Guess we can stop taxing ourselves and giving the government money.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:42 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The goal is to go as long as possible without melting so much land ice that coastal cities are uninhabitable. We can do that by minimizing our changes to the environment.
Try not to turn a 10,000 year natural process into a 300 year one.
The earth doesn't give a shite what the temperature is.
Then why the frick doesn't China and India have the same restrictions?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 6:55 pm to rhar61
What restrictions?
We still use fossil fuels in America
India's goal is
They claim to have reduced emissions 33% in the past 2 decades
We still use fossil fuels in America
India's goal is
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Reduce the total projected carbon emissions by one billion metric tons from now (presumably 2022) through 2030. Reduce the carbon intensity of its economy by at least 45 percent by 2030 compared to 2005 levels. Achieve the target of net zero by 2070.
Dec 8, 2022
They claim to have reduced emissions 33% in the past 2 decades
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India's average rate of reduction in emissions increased to 3% annually in the period 2016-2019, from just about 1.5% in the period 2014-2016. It was the fastest reduction so far, and was largely attributable to the government's push towards renewables
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:00 pm to jyoung1
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Cool, we’re already doing that. Guess we can stop taxing ourselves and giving the government money.
Ahh that explains the wacky assumptions.
I guess it's impossible for most people to leave politics out of this topic.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:02 pm to Korkstand
interesting. conversely, would it be possible to leave climate change out of politics?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:11 pm to Klark Kent
quote:I wish, but obviously not. It has been made the crux of energy and transportation issues.
interesting. conversely, would it be possible to leave climate change out of politics?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:20 pm to Korkstand
Climate has more to do with solar maximums and minimums. In fact, we currently are coming out of a maximum and into a minimum.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 7:25 pm to Korkstand
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Right, but you are on the wrong side of it. It was your side that made up all that stuff about the other side to discredit them
The white liberal side isn’t any better. If there’s man made problems I’d look to China, Africa, and India for the problem of destroying our environment. In reality, for America, our main problems with pollution and destruction of our environment comes from democrat cities. Sure there’s more people, but they also stink and destroy our environment. Rs don’t have the answers either, but white liberals are no closer to the answer. I agree we should take care of our forests, not litter, and there should be restrictions on what factories and such can release in our air and water
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:07 pm to Cromulent
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In fact, we currently are coming out of a maximum and into a minimum.
Will the solar minimums be here in time for deer season?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:09 pm to alphaandomega
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None of their predictions have been accurate. We were supposed to freeze to death in the 80's We were supposed to die from the loss of the ozone layer in the 90's. We were supposed to be an ice free planet in the 2000's. They just make up stuff and repeat it enough for a lot of people to believe it.
Someone could make a montage with some of the more vocal alarmists and their track record of past dismal failures in climate predictions is staggering. They rely on the short memory of the morons who buy into this or the outright dishonesty of those who know better but play along anyway. Either option sucks…being naive or dishonest.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:54 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
a troll right? i can’t tell Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:19 am to Korkstand
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Ahh that explains the wacky assumptions.
All you lefties have that same attitude, my assumption was reasonable as I explained, you are being purposely disingenuous and clearly not trying to have reasonable discussion, so maybe it is you interjecting politics in it.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 1:03 pm to Korkstand
quote:Just STFU you idiot.
The goal is to go as long as possible without melting so much land ice that coastal cities are uninhabitable. We can do that by minimizing our changes to the environment.
Try not to turn a 10,000 year natural process into a 300 year one.
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Historically, sea levels have been both lower and higher in the past than at present. Since the end of the last ice age, the average level has risen about 120 meters (400 feet), as depicted in the following figure. After it reached a peak in at least some regions about 6,000 years ago, however, the sea level has changed relatively little, even when industrialization began boosting atmospheric CO2. Over the 20th century, the worldwide average rise was about 15-18 cm (6-7 inches).
quote:AL.com
The ancient cypress forest found 60 feet underwater in the Gulf of Mexico, due south of Gulf Shores, Ala., is about 60,000 years old, says a team of scientists who have studied the site.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 8/23/23 at 1:14 pm to Corinthians420
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What restrictions?
We still use fossil fuels in America
When in doubt play stupid.
Are you saying our economy has NO environmental constraints placed on it?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 1:43 pm to jyoung1
quote:I used the word "adjust" and you assumed I meant some sort of abrupt and nonsensical reduction in energy supply. That was far from a reasonable assumption.
my assumption was reasonable as I explained
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you are being purposely disingenuous and clearly not trying to have reasonable discussion, so maybe it is you interjecting politics in it.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:10 pm to Korkstand
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I used the word "adjust" and you assumed I meant some sort of abrupt and nonsensical reduction in energy supply. That was far from a reasonable assumption.
When I see someone who is calling out people climate deniers yada yada, and also using words like "adjust", you see typically when people use words like "adjust" (To move or change (something) so as to be in a more effective arrangement or desired condition), that means to do something different, that is a reasonable assumption for me to make that it means start implementing the climate policy stuff (reducing energy supply or increasing cost)
However, apparently you meant the word "adjust" to mean just keep doing the same thing, which is insane and not an assumption that any reasonable person would make. You are continuing to be disingenuous.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:24 pm to jyoung1
quote:That's a whole lot of words to say you made a bad assumption.
When I see someone who is calling out people climate deniers yada yada, and also using words like "adjust", you see typically when people use words like "adjust" (To move or change (something) so as to be in a more effective arrangement or desired condition), that means to do something different, that is a reasonable assumption for me to make that it means start implementing the climate policy stuff (reducing energy supply or increasing cost)
However, apparently you meant the word "adjust" to mean just keep doing the same thing, which is insane and not an assumption that any reasonable person would make. You are continuing to be disingenuous.
It should be abundantly clear that emissions and climate change are and have been a major topic for some time, and that governments around the world have been adjusting in response. Adjusting. Now. Like I said. And that in no way means reducing the energy supply. Far from it, we are developing more ways to produce more energy. Global energy production/consumption has increased year after year, even in the face of these "adjustments", and that shows no signs of slowing down. Your rambling about reducing the energy supply is bonkers.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:56 pm to Crimson1st
Interesting, almost no wildfires in 2020 when everyone was staying home.
It's almost as if most wildfires are caused by human negligence or arson, not climate change.
Also interesting, 2023 is abnormally high right after the WEF stated it was going to ramp up climate alarmism.
It's almost as if most wildfires are caused by human negligence or arson, not climate change.
Also interesting, 2023 is abnormally high right after the WEF stated it was going to ramp up climate alarmism.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:09 pm to OU Guy
Here's how I know man made climate change is absolute 100% BS. Those that scream the loudest...Al Gore, Bill Gates, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc....do NOTHING to alter their own behavior. They still fly planes all over the world, still own multiple mansions,etc...if they really believed the world was in dire threat they would change their behavior. When those that complain the most start acting like it's serious that's when I'll take it serious.
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