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re: Nitrogen shortage
Posted on 9/1/21 at 6:58 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
Posted on 9/1/21 at 6:58 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:
Nitrogen is most important in vegetative stage. PK are utilized more during fruiting. Oh different kind of plant. My research shows nitrogen is byproduct in natural gas and makes it less efficient.
You’re an idiot
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Posted on 9/1/21 at 6:58 pm to Oilfieldbiology
This thread was super informative
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:15 pm to dyslexiateechur
How do you start a nitrogen plant, if the nitrogen plants are down to start the nitrogen plant?
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:24 pm to dyslexiateechur
We have numerous air separation plants connected to a nitrogen pipeline. They use a LOT of electricity to run the electric motors driving large air blowers and chiller compressors to separate air into nitrogen, oxygen and argon.
Must get the air really really cold.
Must get the air really really cold.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:29 pm to dyslexiateechur
Yep, nigh-ter-jun pipeline is down and needed to restart the plant. Word is should have nigh-ter-jun back by the weekend.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:30 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
There is some nitrogen in natural gas in some gas fields, not all. I have not seen any nitrogen rejection units in gas plants in Louisiana. NE Texas yes.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:56 pm to dyslexiateechur
They use nitrogen to keep the fake vaccines frozen
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:58 pm to dyslexiateechur
I’m sure it’s been said but plants use nitrogen for instruments, purging, and keeping blankets on certain chemicals/hydrocarbons.
Trucks from out of state are arriving to hep get places started.
Trucks from out of state are arriving to hep get places started.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:03 pm to dyslexiateechur
quote:
Can anyone shed light on this? From my understanding multiple plants can’t start up because of this.
Yep, and I am one of them.
Nitrogen is used as an inert gas in many uses in chem plants. We have to have it for safety systems before we can bring the plant up. You know... like FIRE, Dammit, FIRE!
As I understood it three plants that supply the pipeline are offline. As of today I heard they have power but have mechanical issues. Should be back up soon.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:03 pm to Rossberg02
quote:
Trucks from out of state are arriving to hep get places started.
Trucks are not near enough volume for most.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:08 pm to dyslexiateechur
We can’t start up because of no N supply from AL
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:12 pm to ruger35
Steam is from Cogen units not the ASU's. They might be on the same property and have same owner but different animal
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:15 pm to CitizenK
Hard to make and compress N2 without electricity.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:18 pm to dyslexiateechur
We’re waiting for N2 as well.
Not that it matters much as we still don’t have 100% power yet. Only partial.
Not that it matters much as we still don’t have 100% power yet. Only partial.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:20 pm to GumboPot
quote:Plenty of other companies try to compete but Air Liquide has built out a pipeline system so huge that no one can compete with their bid price.
Sounds like Air Liquide needs some competition.
quote:~$50 million but you need a customer to build the plant...and you will have to sign them up at a major loss to compare to Air Liquide's extensive pipeline network.
I wonder what the start up costs would be for a nitrogen plant (might as well sell O2, Ar and CO2 too)?
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:22 pm to heatom2
N2 Pipelines are down in LA from storm
Air Gas issued force majeure for liquid N2 in SE USA due to lack of trucks; trucks are being used for Oxygen for hospitals
Driver shortage is further complicating deliveries of liquid N2
It’s a mess
Air Gas issued force majeure for liquid N2 in SE USA due to lack of trucks; trucks are being used for Oxygen for hospitals
Driver shortage is further complicating deliveries of liquid N2
It’s a mess
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:24 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:
Sounds like Air Liquide needs some competition
Who wouldve also been out of power.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:25 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Incorrect. On the liquid O2 side, maybe, but OP is talking about the recent issue with gaseous N2 to the refineries and chemicals plants in LA.
All the O2 and N2 has been reassigned to hospitals for covid relief believe it or not. We mess with copper coils and HVAC so it’s delaying other industries as well
This post was edited on 9/1/21 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:26 pm to TigerTatorTots
Dude really? Y’all can’t parlay your H business into N. Use some of the take or pay funds to build first hundred miles of pipeline. “Build it and they will come”
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:27 pm to djangochained
quote:You're company doesn't exist anymore
Praxair
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