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New study (confirming a 2008 study): Ethanol is worse for the environment than gas

Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:56 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:56 am
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The five-year study, partially funded by the National Wildlife Federation and U.S. Department of Energy, found that ethanol is at least 24% more carbon-intensive than gasoline


Whoops.
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
14654 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:57 am to
Vehicles running on solar and wind will be the goat.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13887 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:57 am to
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During a recent unveiling of the new Chevy Volt, Zimmerman demonstrated for the media how the supposedly “green” vehicle is simply plugged into a power source for energy. And this power source, at least in Michigan, is mostly burned coal.

A man in a suit pulled out the giant plug and waved it in front of the cameras, prompting laughter from the press, before inserting it into the Volt. A journalist then walks up to Zimmerman to ask her about the power source behind the plug.

“Because everybody thought we killed the electric vehicle, and we didn’t,” Zimmerman told the questioning press with a confident smirk.

“So what’s charging the batteries right now? What’s the source?” one member of the press asked in response.

“Well, here,” Zimmerman answered. “It’s coming from the building.”

“I mean, what’s their mix of power?” the press member then responded.

“Oh, actually Lansing feeds the building. Lansing feeds power to the building, so I don’t know … I’ll bet you they’re a bit of coal, oh they’re heavy on natural gas, aren’t they?”

J. Peter Lark from the Lansing Board of Water & Light, the power company Zimmerman was referring to, quickly cleared up the discrepancy.

“Right, it would be charging off the power grid which is about 95 percent coal,” Lark told the reporter.

In other words, nearly all of the energy used to power electric vehicles in Michigan comes from burned coal, which is far more polluting than the internal combustion of normal gasoline.

YouTube - GM Spokeswoman - 95% of Clean Energy for Electric Cars Comes From Coal Plants



This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 9:02 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26811 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:58 am to
Government fricks up everything it touches.

I can’t think of a worse product than ethanol. Bad for engines, the economy and the environment.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:58 am to
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The five-year study, partially funded by the National Wildlife Federation and U.S. Department of Energy, found that ethanol is at least 24% more carbon-intensive than gasoline


We needed a 5 year study to tell us the crappier gas that costs less and offers less performance than its ethanol-free counter part is bad? Who knew?

Remember back in 2010 or so when you could get the alternative fuel tax credit for buying any vehicle that was flex fuel capable? Government is so good at wasting money.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 9:00 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85067 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:58 am to
This country’s reliance on corn is a much larger problem than its reliance on oil.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 8:59 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:59 am to
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and wind will be the goat.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:02 am to
Farmers are making serious bank with ethanol. The vast majority of ethanol manufacturing is actually owned by local farmer co-ops. This is to get the state subsidies.

It is NOT going away anytime soon.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:03 am to
No shite.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41151 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:04 am to
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Government fricks up everything it touches.



Instead of working to minimize 'climate change', we ought to be working to minimize gov't.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:04 am to
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Instead of working to minimize 'climate change', we ought to be working to minimize gov't.

No shite.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90706 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:08 am to
A lot of green shite we do is bad for the environment. But the “party of science” will ignore this particular science

Converting thousands of acres of farmland into solar panels is bad for the environment

Wind turbines kill a shite load of birds.

Not only are the above worse for the environment they are horribly inefficient and more expensive. We talk about food prices and grain shortages yet the simplest quickest fix to alleviate this is to stop dumping corn into ethanol production. Use it for cattle-chicken feed. Cost of feed goes down, meat prices can go down.

Our most environmentally friendly electricity solution that is highly efficient and cheap is Nuclear and natural gas.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10310 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:11 am to
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I can’t think of a worse product than ethanol. Bad for engines, the economy and the environment.


and a food source we can't use any longer.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13887 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:12 am to
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Wind turbines kill a shite load of birds.


Today I learned....

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Though it can appear as though they’re turning at a slow, almost relaxed pace, wind-turbine blades actually move very rapidly: The outer tips of some turbines' blades can reach speeds of 179 mph (288 kilometers per hour) and can easily slice off an eagle's wing.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84124 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:14 am to
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The outer tips of some turbines' blades can reach speeds of 179 mph (288 kilometers per hour)


are we sure it isn't 2km/h?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:15 am to
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Ethanol is worse for the environment than gas

bullshite!



FTMFW.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31207 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:18 am to
IMO 100% of the electrical grid should be powered by nuclear and should be put into place to be a viable option within 20 years.

ethenol should be gone tomorrow. we have a water crisis and the dry line is continuing to move east yet we want to use a fuel that is ineffecient and takes 75gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethonal. its the cause of the growing dead zone in the gulf through the increased production of corn, its terrible for engine life, less fuel effecient etc

needs to end today and frick the farmers that love to suck off government tit.


who the frick thought it was a good idea to use a food source for fuel anyways.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 9:19 am
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
7032 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:21 am to
The renewable fuel standard is up for review next year. It looks like this is an attempt by the USDA to get the requirement struck down because it's stupid (the EPA knows and has known this), and focus more on advanced biofuels (which it should have in the first place). Ethanol was Obama pandering to leftist lobbyists at the expense of the world. It is his version of the disaster that was MTBE.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12526 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:22 am to
Yeah, but it makes mad power on E.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12526 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:25 am to
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Vehicles running on solar and wind will be the goat.

DC charging off your own solar is a great option for anyone who has the means and values independence.
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